Tim Pritlove: Hello jocelyn you thought it will never come again we're back this is news of the world and we thought
Tim Pritlove: after four years of higher to the time to talk to the world once more notches me my friend mark.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Hello what's the what's the word for so you have podcast that are weekly your podcast that are monthly what's the word for a podcast this four year li.
Tim Pritlove: Olympic.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: For tally hall limpid.
Tim Pritlove: Add big podcast.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Welcome to the olympic released podcast.
Tim Pritlove: Yes we will we made it to the olive finally.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah no looking back i mean we used to do this on a weekday basis that turned out to be no longer possible after seven time.
Tim Pritlove: Put the show tourist extra show four years ago.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Which is both funny edwards looking back at first because it was recorded on this was posted on the twenty first of december two thousand sixteen looking back at a year.
Tim Pritlove: Add the disaster the address of two thousand sixteen.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I called two thousand sixteen a disaster.
Tim Pritlove: Yes it was.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah.
Tim Pritlove: It was just didn't know how it is kind of disaster with compared to the the following yes.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I mean that is a thing if you have these things documented and people who have kept blogs or just even if diary at home notice sometimes when i look back and see a moment and it says like this is the worst this is the time and then.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: You look at your life now you see me yourself again jotting notes like this is the worst so.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It was the worst of times it was the worst of times.
Tim Pritlove: Yes elizabeth been a hard time for optimists like me.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah i'm fine pessimist so.
Tim Pritlove: I started i started this year were coming everybody to the golden age.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Did referring to the color of a certain leader's.
Tim Pritlove: Twenty is the roaring twenty s enough.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Pause everything so
Tim Pritlove: yeah i'm still a having a haven't lost hope yet all those things have gotten quite complicated especially the us vs the world looking back at the title
Tim Pritlove: because we were referring to barack obama in this wonderful what's the president i think.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The last one that got happened.
Tim Pritlove: Delete the last what happened.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Whitehouse correspondents dinner.
Tim Pritlove: There any entered and the music was playing the song you're gonna miss me when i'm gone.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: That's what i look everybody in love of course i remove checking in using funny and then he said.
Tim Pritlove: You can't say it but you know it's true.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yep.
Tim Pritlove: Yes couldn't tell been more inside for correct then then this year we really miss him.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yes everybody you're so many moments but yet the end of the obama presidency i mean he said it but many people were saying over gonna certainly miss this president
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: weather for the way he is with words and with people or a policies possible and yeah there we are
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: almost four years four years later and,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: many people more more than before probably stay live way back they had kate mccannon.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I don't know that works well in germany but in the i've always been joyed her angela merkel,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end sheets she will be loved letters barraca it with this idea that miracle love is obama and she's also gonna miss him like crazy and end hear that world where you know,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: miracle and barak do not get to hang out decisions together so it's just miracle and i guess macaroni,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: dear friend that's just not the same as it.
Tim Pritlove: It's not the same and there's a lot of good friends in general.
Tim Pritlove: The statue of of of stupidities.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Everybody including germany some how are you know.
Tim Pritlove: If it's your country and the afters inside full view of dinozaurs and international politics but also our nation,
Tim Pritlove: itself behaves and excision it's it's a different story but it's,
Tim Pritlove: of course if you compare to the rest of not so many liters in the free world around the world in general that really are,
Tim Pritlove: making a difference and over lasting impact on sings i mean what's good about her instead.
Tim Pritlove: Call the usually too late and usually.
Tim Pritlove: No never enough is progressive percentage mean would like to she knows when the time has come for something to change.
Tim Pritlove: Increase stand this multiple times now it for the general public.
Tim Pritlove: Out of nowhere but then she's making the point for instance turn around on.
Tim Pritlove: Nuclear plants in germany after the fukushima disaster.
Tim Pritlove: She said like ok i thought about it we are stopping this.
Tim Pritlove: No when was decision on that day and everybody new no more discussions that that's it or,
Tim Pritlove: marriage was also twenty point party was really really know when was extending this into forever,
Tim Pritlove: the weather point timer should just dropped just asking the interview about this.
Tim Pritlove: End all season was something don't recall something like that you know that should be done something.
Tim Pritlove: Everybody new life okay that's enough so so she's been.
Tim Pritlove: Particularly good at this this big turnarounds and anna wise obvious that once she had made up her mind,
Tim Pritlove: the party could really do anything against her to follow because she was capable of keeping the power in her party it away nobody expected before.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is actually also like from outsider because like you said if you know the democratic situation that you don't necessarily
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: share for her depending on your your politics on your your goals but internationally
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: in recent history there not many political leaders leaders of a country that are seen as what i would call almost a political,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: like international scene people don't think about angela merkel as conservative or progressive.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I would say i just think of us stable rational end that doesn't happen very often
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not the case you don't see it that way understand but this very few i think that our world war internet the way we discuss things makes it very difficult even
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: get popular by not being
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: very obviously a conservative or or progressive insurance situations mayers more famous for this like you have a mayor of a city and you may not know in the us they dont even have political party sometimes so it look for signs maybe otherwise their just this
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: figures that could go left could go right could go middle,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: what are some health stable trustworthy maybe churchill even had this i was forget what party he was from,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: because it was the church hill time and of course i wasn't around anyway.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: What is very rare have an figure that is seen as just stabled first before whatever party their from.
Tim Pritlove: I mean it helps wendell around when fixings happen that i'm not correct attributed so.
Tim Pritlove: Maybe she's definitely going to be remembered as one of the big.
Tim Pritlove: Politicians time no doubt about this because sixteen years in a row.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah that's that help but it doesn't work for example for bush something big
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: he made is mark as a sort of
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm gonna be extra tough and it within my top news lot of harsh policies last of phyno he just not seen nine political figure
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: those people now within the us who will look back because of who's president now and how
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: this person is president look back at busch pretty good which is of course rewriting history is always pretty good i would say,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but now.
Tim Pritlove: So maybe we should i wait wait.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Go to the giant elephant.
Tim Pritlove: Set it will there actually there the family of elephante in detroit and after has been looking at all topic list of the last show and,
Tim Pritlove: one of those was brexit.
Tim Pritlove: Turn and that's actually something that can be very busy as you are audiomachine and last afternoon a podcast series on on brexit for a long time at which is the kind of still going so it's like,
Tim Pritlove: every three months or so i am doing an update on what has happened so far what's about to happen.
Tim Pritlove: Find now that the actual brexit technically has taken place.
Tim Pritlove: We all know.
Tim Pritlove: No nobody knows where this is going actually it's like you politics it's getting really getting worse all the time,
Tim Pritlove: but it has an interesting impact on on on me as you know you know it's finally for me to get the drama nationality.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Which to those who,
Tim Pritlove: i don't know i mean i have been an on paypal i've been britt on my left because my father was breakbot died early so i drop in germany germany but just not on paper so now i'm finally.
Tim Pritlove: Zoom in on paper which is quite helpful about that the uk has left europe,
Tim Pritlove: is left i mean has left the you know i'm not sure about leave europe i don't think so song.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Put a bunch of sticks really long polls and start pushing further and further away physically.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah but there's also scotland with that feat duke ocean and petaling the other directions to.
Tim Pritlove: It's not going to happen how soon as they think they are and especially look at us situation
Tim Pritlove: are there i think they're having dependent on what's going on in the us and if there's a train
Tim Pritlove: for turn around that's probably going to healthy brick city because just stupid and incapable of doing governments in the us right now.
Tim Pritlove: But mentioning is it interesting to see what the impact of brexit on the rest of europe was.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah.
Tim Pritlove: I mean uk so who expected,
Tim Pritlove: i don't know what day expected but the hell that they have this view like the us this somehow the world is,
Tim Pritlove: is it center around london
Tim Pritlove: depends on some kind of gravitation force that everybody has to hear too and of course that didn't happen and use bazzi vs
Tim Pritlove: moving on an internet doing pretty grades instead.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah that's interesting comparison with us over the last four years but for the uk i guess the last
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: will it ever since the referendum i think that there is the general spirit doesn't always come out or it's not always possible but we're going to gallant now,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: like we don't like the decision we don't like what you chosen but as the rest of the world or in this case is the rest of europe what now going to
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: move forward differently than we used to we're not gonna look to you whether you're the uk the us were just not gonna look to you for leadership for good ideas you're not gonna participate in whatever were doing,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end it's adam sure there's many moments where that makes things more difficult perhaps love the same time it's just a continuous right continue.
Tim Pritlove: What else could you do to help you and jeremih,
Tim Pritlove: before brexit the relationship of your opinions are you members or like the people in you country is what's the use somehow.
Tim Pritlove: Will it says reserve in all is like yeah exists i don't really see a particular reason,
Tim Pritlove: why i should supported your everything fox on the run nation and the us senator birocratic level that nobody really needs i think.
Tim Pritlove: The brexit face have some house shawn that it's it's more than that is much more than that.
Tim Pritlove: Turn that yaz given the choice people are.
Tim Pritlove: Definitely rooting for this corporation and security that the us provided for such a long time and at the end of this year when,
Tim Pritlove: the uk is molesta going into no deal situation weather don't really have anything no defined relationship to the which is going to.
Tim Pritlove: Both and trouble.
Tim Pritlove: Just just the trouble with us getting into the pretty much prepared for it and date it already in the box and some hall,
Tim Pritlove: ok you later in an indian no what's coming i still have this feeling with the uk doesn't really know what's happening this summer.
Tim Pritlove: Things that will be some kind of magic on everybody's turning two thousand,
Tim Pritlove: sorry yeah yes you did he is your special relationship is everything you wanted for free without you having to pay for it and that's just not happening.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: No we do not know how this is going to work out i mean we can predicted many will and we see the,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: problems but will this be a case of you gonna miss us when we're gone.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Maybe it's too soon i think.
Tim Pritlove: Who who's missing who.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The uk is going to miss europe physical when they're gone from here.
Tim Pritlove: I think there will because once they realize what they have lost which they still don't really,
Tim Pritlove: weather right now
Tim Pritlove: the acceptance is there and it's all the details it's not over need traded n money and opportunity and freedom of movement still celebrating,
Tim Pritlove: taking away the freedom of movement and foxing on freedom of movement of other people not realizing the basically taking,
Tim Pritlove: away their own freedom of movement which is so upset and one stay notice that even going on holidays going to be a problem.
Tim Pritlove: The things will start changing so it will take sometime and big thief with you ak is that.
Tim Pritlove: Is this whole craziness.
Tim Pritlove: Which way are going to talk about in detail not this whole crazy especially the hole british craziness some harry gets more oxygen two continue.
Tim Pritlove: By whatever events.
Tim Pritlove: When you have the problem that you have a country that has summer cat all the ties to everybody,
Tim Pritlove: you're the closest neighbors the closest l a 's finest summer pro to influence of money and political influence from
Tim Pritlove: what other countries we've already seen it has been documented like the influence of russian doll vegas on on the tory party others documents have been coming out,
Tim Pritlove: add bennett,
Tim Pritlove: can quickly turn into some kind of drug state that doesn't seem to be under control by anything any longer also it has to deal with the the panic they are causing for so many people problems like.
Tim Pritlove: Getting food and devaluation of money and answer on in addition to all the freedom that have been taken away that.
Tim Pritlove: Set dennis very complicated to deal with uk any any longer cause they are not obliged to confirm to any rules.
Tim Pritlove: End the one step left turn on happy with and then they start pointing to everybody else being the animals.
Tim Pritlove: Which day already do some how about that,
Tim Pritlove: yes that's potential scales this app significantly you know that everybody is just against the uk,
Tim Pritlove: which is natural mystic we don't care like your problem but that's going to
Tim Pritlove: put it out into the public
Tim Pritlove: just to make the public believe that it's the same story of divided conquer all over again.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It's always worked it seems to continue to work i mean it if we look east
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: that is also the dialogue weather is hungry or belarus i know there's a slightly different situations but in ider case you have a leader telling stories that involved we are
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: under attack in hungary it's working the attack by the iu or
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: hey portal soros in bellevue cinco de mayo is borders about to invade so it's always story of
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not just the volume people but make people afraid someone is coming someone is going to take what you have i have a lot of experience in in russia as a visitor
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: turn a list that story they never stop telling it,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: even now in twenty twenty you know the the outside world including the west especially they wanna take whenever i special life and culture russia has these kinds of stories still work.
Tim Pritlove: Yes to selena funny cartoon that summer repeating this way the king looking down at the people in the wearing pitchforks and torches in and,
Tim Pritlove: device is talking to the kingsmen yeah is it.
Tim Pritlove: You don't need to find them you just need to convince the pitchfork people that the touch people want to take away their picture fox.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Add this really makes the point prettymuch well on this arthur terran leaders taking the games i just divide them and make them afraid of each other and,
Tim Pritlove: like trump is doing it.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: If these protesters there a mix of terrorists or paid agitators provocateur popular one,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: everyone's provocateur that isn't in favor of the government,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so yeah these things even know where such in advance society in twenty twenty we still have them everywhere you look their someone trying to push this idea with some success.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: That is not ended.
Tim Pritlove: Set the us.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Haha.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes it's a well it country with the almost love four hundred million people i think currently has among other things a year,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: president on his head overweight his third wife,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: kids i think we're all in charge of something.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Any is currently running for reelection.
Tim Pritlove: Set a this is chopin three hundred twenty eight million people in the us it's not yeah.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I overshadowed you're doing a sense right now but also trying to ruin the sentence so will never know the truth about how many people live in the country.
Tim Pritlove: Yes nobody cares about the truth anymore.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: No not even counting people i mean it's always been political i should say counting people has become political but it's it's now like
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: they actively want to destroy this process,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: put it up there on the list with the post office and all the other things that you don't want help or you don't wanna fuck you wanted destroy them stop them,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so yes the us i forgot what the numbers are with corona know that dead sara above one hundred and fifty thousand that's probably
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: create a conservative number at this point from coronavirus and then the actual number of infected is in the millions
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: you have the sinner was a spike maybe it continues in the state where there was no other work very few infections for five months ago were there was big pressure open
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: invite open i mean business open have your schools open which is happening now,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yes we speak or in within a week my brother and sister in law work in schools and they have to go back to work.
Tim Pritlove: The number of infections in the us per million people at the best time in the so cold downtown was worse than in the netherlands orange dream.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Sure.
Tim Pritlove: So thats the way of seeing like it turn around.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yep people in charge the person in charge suddenly will say yeah could've been worse and their for we didn't well.
Tim Pritlove: It is what it is.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah i know if you saw that axwell interview,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: another the bad lip reading also which is very good with the actual interview but the journalist who sings australia i wanna say
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: he he asked them straight out says you're very into a positive thinking mr president do you think that's sometimes been bad
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: during this pandemic it was interesting cause it was he was pushing.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Trump's own behavior like really into positive thinking i get it but do you think it's always good and trumps i can you gotta be positive thinking,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: could much worse and he really doesn't want to like the positives the positive,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so that's enough in the country list from the leadership that's the focus yes,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: tim can bring lots of terrible stats about what's happening in the us cause its bad but the leadership can point out to a lot of other things that could have happened.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I didn't.
Tim Pritlove: Jonathan swan is the the name is actually australian which for help.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes and he's been he had a credit station following trump's since the beginning of this campaign to become president i think i listen to the presidency so that's also good
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: because i mean it must be very stressful to be a journalist trying to stick with this president because you can be kicked out you can be accused of things sometimes when you least expected sometimes you know
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: you know what it doesn't like this journalist in this interview i hate watching likes watching a trump interview at this point the used to be funny.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: What is not funny anymore,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but put this one i would say watch the first four minutes after that you be too sick to continue because he tries he released.
Tim Pritlove: Trump of one.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Rosie trump doesn't trump,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: hey portal bring lots of papers with charts any hands them two and them eat have bar graphs on them and then yes yes that works really well for the bad lip reading also these papers pictures
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so the journalist does push him,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: more on est and you know kind of says like i get it you're doing a good job he really brings out all of trumps things that i want people to recognized before he asks difficult question which is,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i would say a good strategy like you have to ignore this man everyone will say it was like a child find give the child a little bit of what they want so that then you can ask why can't you want and he he doesn't interesting.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: For a bit so yeah because it's latest it's actually conference,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: interesting way as far as i can see i could get to the end trump doesn't walk away stick with it,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end the journalist doesn't really back down but of course it doesn't matter to get much.
Tim Pritlove: Give me was an interesting way of exposing his weaknesses without trump even noticing it because they would probably went away.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah trumpet many times will say in his word read the cause their asking about,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: how how does he know that it could've been so much worse or based on what he says weather manuals and books you can read them.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: End the all say that i could be much worse and tha realist interrupt city has what
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: which manuals which books any trump tries to explain a little it doesn't name any specific books really.
Tim Pritlove: Never dies.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I like there a manual somewhere on coronavirus that say the us government did really well.
Tim Pritlove: Instructions.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah in the background we have anthony for rachel house still beating keep this job gucci sad through many presidents as the head of what the cdc no,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i don't know the doctor if he still hanging in there surprisingly where he will say something cautious he's been this week
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: because we're getting towards the election and there's a lot of talk about vaccines we know russia has released their vaccine,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i have no information on that thing but you know it's out i guess one of putin's many robot daughters took the vaccine so that must mean something some she still alive,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: maybe heard if she wasn't.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah is the director of the national institute of allergy infectious diseases so it's not directly in the city c but he has been in the coronavirus task force that.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Ask for.
Tim Pritlove: Sometimes allowed to do something but never ready to make an impact on the extra policies there.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah it's him and debra burks why don't know much about but she's always there and then pens pencils and charge of taxi task force.
Tim Pritlove: Which means would you can always read like if he is in charge nothing will happen like or like like all the sons of champlin.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: What is not doing what use to do as far as i know i don't listen to anyone speechless what is not telling people to pray it away which is one of his common strategies for things you got away.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Skip spence i think pence.
Tim Pritlove: Yes.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Governors yanni was all about these i think he's crazy strategies on what he thinks homosexuality is
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end how he thinks we should handle it handle it as a society.
Tim Pritlove: Let's let's broiler move on in general two hours discover crises has impacted well.
Tim Pritlove: The us in particular.
Tim Pritlove: Maybe the world made it's been the defining topic of this year and thought that is interesting on many levels.
Tim Pritlove: Specially because of the election but it has also change.
Tim Pritlove: The world are nobody really knows where this is going to detour which means this potential instability because once people don't know where things are going no,
Tim Pritlove: begin sings changed it would expected that's like the the lumineers problem that that moe instability is in san countries.
Tim Pritlove: Will you tomorrow or conflict of coast but there's usually associated with countries that.
Tim Pritlove: Do not have you know it well functioning administration well functioning civilization if you were here will end
Tim Pritlove: no the us summer-house has managed to get.
Tim Pritlove: The top rings not the top ranked in this list where would we be really surprised he like what the hell are you so this function and all that you can't even,
Tim Pritlove: hello sounds like this with all the resources you have and that's what was so.
Tim Pritlove: Surprising to see if it for me because i thought well this is going to be difficult for the us.
Tim Pritlove: Just because of the way so,
Tim Pritlove: pause social security is organized the specials the medical system is organized so that was my expectation from the start that there will be problems but i won't have expected to be as bad,
Tim Pritlove: is there toddler incapable of dealing with the for such a long time.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah i mean it's a lie the used a lot now especially because of the election that.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It is because of trump that things are so bad that if someone else has been president no matter what the party that it wouldn't have gotten
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: difficult searchin because their hypothetical are we don't know in the end we just know that the man
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: doesn't do things very well not just communicate but so also,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i think you very correct having been raised in the us and spend a decent amount of time trying to understand it is a country so many
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: gaps not just in terms of income but space styles of living
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end we see it whenever election comes around and you think you know how people are gonna go and then they don't go that way are you think you know what people would value and then they value something else some someone else so.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It's hard to say how could this happen,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: any country that has so many resources because the country is notorious lee bad at handling what it has including yes latino you have potentially great healthcare for people if you can afford it right if you can get there so.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: This fitz and way not everyone will agree obviously but this fits
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: with what the us is it's a place of so many contradictions and it's a place that looks very shiny from outside,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: maybe were you when you're actually in it and as you travelers you listen to people you find it's it's actually full of problems
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: before corona and then you compounded when you saw corona on it and then you see it play out indeed it's gone i would say
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: pretty bad as bad maybe as it could get i don't know but yeah unless surprise about how bad is gone,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it's just interesting how hard it is for a desert to die times like new york new jersey the hollies coast having been the first place where these things spread and were bad
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yes the big open spaces i guess that expensive but there was not so much corona but now it's flipped right now that big pup in spaces do have corona
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the kumar crowded coastal cities have gotten some kind of handle on it with spikes of course so it's just
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: unpredictable every time you think you know america you don't,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: just so many different people live i fancy myself more of a person who can tell you about new jersey new york maybe east coast i can't tell you about
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: cancel without talking to friends and kansas it's just too different re make speak the same language but we don't live the same life at all.
Tim Pritlove: I mean that's interesting this is probably the first time i've seen,
Tim Pritlove: details one hundred one comparisons between the us and the iu because once you put up those numbers you know you gotta direct.
Tim Pritlove: Correlation molesta real time and that's a few that usually,
Tim Pritlove: well i only see if you were like comparing the economic power
Tim Pritlove: of these markets that's what you get the numbers way you see like ok more aless the same
Tim Pritlove: amount of people live in countries combined,
Tim Pritlove: yes indeed in the us all of causes a bit more in the us the general body party in the same.
Tim Pritlove: Field so i would you say about kansas i mean the struts for omi making.
Tim Pritlove: Any command on slovenia or you know well some countries i know better some.
Tim Pritlove: Concerts i haven't even visited yet so in a way the same astro for the you and on top of that we don't even have that's that that the same language.
Tim Pritlove: The the common language of course in the us also english which is.
Tim Pritlove: Only spoken natively one of the smallest members an island now that you're gone which is funny enough.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is that we start from a point of ignore that not pretending like it isn't true i can't like that compared to the united.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Exactly.
Tim Pritlove: That then i mean.
Tim Pritlove: More united on some levels in odessa common army just wanna international politics for lisa should be of course different because that something that will still take.
Tim Pritlove: Yes is not decades in the u two some how developing i think it's time
Tim Pritlove: verify some point edition critical point everybody knows like ok we're just going to be better off if we finally united on this topic might have help
Tim Pritlove: uk left this point but there's still strong division of cozz between
Tim Pritlove: francis germany closest day are they still have a very different myself how to deal with the world and francis still
Tim Pritlove: you know woodward really like everybody to keep on talking french on the diplomatic.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Keep it to parliament going call someone.
Tim Pritlove: Set the comparison is is is available one in the new venue seahawk hold us ideas of being united some hole,
Tim Pritlove: fails because they have been able to come to any kind of control europa,
Tim Pritlove: things have been manage quite differently in many countries.
Tim Pritlove: I don't really get what is the problem because if it's really something that should work on a state level.
Tim Pritlove: Is that the federal government is really tupido y ancho state is doing or
Tim Pritlove: is it just the lacs of control that would be needed to make this dates for aso different world walks at all in where where is the the the problem regenerating,
Tim Pritlove: rewind you think what would the car the root of the problem of not being able to deal with the crisis is.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I think one of the problems is health related crisis what is a very.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Broken healthcare system but i think there's something else which is this beliefs i mean i find it fascinating that.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Will say like anytime corona what should the terminal are decisions government why do should be science should be facts facts science still required.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Amount of believe you have to believe in them,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it's larger discussion behind this but if you don't believe in the science someone is presenting you that's hard because people don't follow the recommendations they won't follow the even though their facts there.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I think of us one of the problems is from very early in this crisis there was a debate.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is there was recently people who did not believe in all of the what needs to be done as far as we know,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: america not believe it they believe the complete opposite,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm not so honestly i'm not so into the there's a sort of superiority around masks where a mask otherwise you ruin me things for everyone,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i understand and i'm going to do it on the other hand it became like a montreal
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: throw it people who didn't wanna wear masks or skeptical i know you know all the whole mixed bag of white people didn't wear masks but then not wearing masks became a point of pride i know this is happening another countries too,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it became a point of resistance it became connected to expire expand myself expression so.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: This becomes very hard to get people to step together on this tuesday
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: online in terms of what you need to do let's just do this together because it became such a it won't be on health it would be on the good of all came no wait your hurting me by trying to help me
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i think once that happens it becomes very hard weather is from a leader or from just a regular citizen and we just had that from the very beginning,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: in the us and receive europe different forms but it's it's more in pockets and i guess hasn't been a
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: is widespread this is not talk about i see it here in netherlands
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i don't say it but there is a general resistance two things like wearing masks two things like not getting together i have parties i believe in us city so maybe i'm seeing exceptional situation
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: they don't say it out loud they don't go to marches well there have been some but they just do it they just go out and they say yeah respect the measures were supposed to take,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i mean while i'm gonna go against the right now.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Point of us and they go off their crazy over there and off we go over here to party in close distance to travel to the big push hurt people feel like i do travel for
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: what is it five six months,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i need to go to spain now i need to go to italy and i am not superior to these people i am looking at plane tickets to get to portugal because.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I missed so much and i'm worried about things that are there that i'm not a word about things and maybe some people but.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So it's this weird split mind oregon split culture that says i'm not we're not,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: on the same page about we have to do or not gonna stick to it.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Innocense i don't think the us is that different it's just it happened maybe earlier from the very beginning this resistance.
Tim Pritlove: I mean ok that's indians always been u very special thing on how the event individuals the government.
Tim Pritlove: Government is supposed to do a what's the government is supposed not to do in what the government shouldn't be involved in this whole.
Tim Pritlove: Which is probably most sings,
Tim Pritlove: especially with gun law this this floating idea that did you need guns because once the government turns against you can you do something about
Tim Pritlove: which is summer turn up on the head right now because now the government is actually
Tim Pritlove: put the doing bad things to the people and then the gun people are coming in defending the government for.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: I don't reasons which tells be it's just more about you know.
Tim Pritlove: Keeping up the ideas of slavery forever.
Tim Pritlove: It's not really about freedom and nyc the republican convention right now i mean the the fear spreading
Tim Pritlove: is angus they have another this whole notion of dangerous in the air it's all about me like yeah things change because.
Tim Pritlove: Will what day mean is the blacks and the latino and asian people are going to in ontario,
Tim Pritlove: supremacy away from you i'm so anyway,
Tim Pritlove: we've seen with the black lives matter movement this year this.
Tim Pritlove: The same shows that might be one of the core fights going on in the us.
Tim Pritlove: Set this is really corre of the conflict of this society that their many things that fighting about but in the end it is this ongoing division,
Tim Pritlove: and white people predominately having the well the power,
Tim Pritlove: index country that that is some how about to end just demographics and,
Tim Pritlove: even the republican ruel with seems to be the guarantee for this situation to continue
Tim Pritlove: is orange demolition man when was the last time a republican actually got the most votes in the presidential election that's been a long time ago so
Tim Pritlove: play it all feels like that was also giving me a food for my options my ongoing optimism that of course.
Tim Pritlove: Dial situation right now
Tim Pritlove: of course the the problem seem to just accelerate put some how is also the last breath of this months that's about to die anyway it's just not dead yet.
Tim Pritlove: No
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah yeah i have the feelin' it it's your pants everything i say so you can i find the feeling
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: nothing says valley but i have a feeling we been here before
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: in a different form in a different time what we been here before and we often think this is such a unique moment of course every moment is unique but at the same time we been here before and every election
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: especially around election time the same kind of languages used again receive the other coming for your guns the other side is saying something like they want to destroyer country i mean,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the same strategies are being used but there so loud right now and of course,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the the potion see in the message from black lives matter has made it very far,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: very interesting very exciting i would say in terms of the masks support for it in,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: evening high profile places that normally would i be tried toonorth but this is also this fight
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: over language open watching i don't recommend it but i been watching the republican so called convention speeches and i watched some of the
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: democratic easier to watch this year because i like a minute long thanks the video limitations of attention span so they're all trying to argue that.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: One side will say black lives matter is a struggle for justice that is long overdue and black lives matter protest,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: encourages people to look critically and who they are
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: who the country is so all these things used to celebrate take a second look is that actually wasn't built on someone suffering on someone's slavery about we also just
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yeah chief keef things by harming others the other side of saying do you want to be a shamed all the time
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: do you want to live in a country where always apologizing yeah we were looking back in our notes from two thousand seventeen a big thing,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: when trump was on his campaign when he became president
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: they still refer to it in raleigh they called it the apology tour in what the hell are they talking about it was that window bomb was elected president that he was travelling of course is visiting countries and,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: according to the the sort of the right when he was doing was apologizing for america america's behavior america's actions and what trump was saying in was,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: really getting the attention of great white good good health people don't apologize powerful,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: message the idea like are you gonna go my way the next four eight years do we want to be ashamed of stuff or do we want to be proud.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Apparently many people prefer to just be proud it's not you easier and meat loaf interestingly a large section of the country says,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: no i'm ready to be critical by the way this is something i always looked to germany with admiration as a teenager young adult which i think i'm no longer qualified as it was,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the germans i knew you when of my closest friends even though busy but the german always were critical of who they are who they were and the americans of course up with were just not no.
Tim Pritlove: Yes we can be with became the become the the masters of apollo apologizing.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes that there's not sure.
Tim Pritlove: It's been a spot in a way somehow.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Life doesnt fall apart that's one of the feels like if you start if you start criticizing your own history you're identity and then everything will be lost that's you know that the fear i think it feels a lot of voting the what are you then.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I think the answer is your a fine human but you know.
Tim Pritlove: I mean is it has helped germany a lot.
Tim Pritlove: How was absolutely necessary of course in just can't kill millions of people on a industrial level and then say oops sorry.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: What countries have tried but yeah.
Tim Pritlove: We don't really wanna apologize would be destructing so it has established.
Tim Pritlove: The position we are there in the world and it in the end it has really.
Tim Pritlove: Play out of it is it it's a very positive sing to do and that's why what of course you won't in the same position now they don't really understand.
Tim Pritlove: What they have done over
Tim Pritlove: all those years and nobody is saying everything is bad the us is doing of course some people woods say that but that's that's also
Tim Pritlove: contributions that culturally politically that the people would love to attribute to the us without hesitance it's.
Tim Pritlove: Add a good reasons while you could love you didn't really have to love but just respect us.
Tim Pritlove: Lots of control influence that's all economic progress and for a long time even the international policies that have been good things be done but it's not,
Tim Pritlove: everything they have been doing their incapable of looking at the other part as well that would be really really helpful but,
Tim Pritlove: what are crisis of the last year's which trump really has brought tonight their other.
Tim Pritlove: Things that the the americans january have been proud of us slowly finding a way you probably know this clip this.
Tim Pritlove: What's the show called the news room series tv series.
Tim Pritlove: Where is typical situation on what's the name of the actor.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Jeff daniels.
Tim Pritlove: Jeff daniels ricegum and he's playing a politician is this typical
Tim Pritlove: choose me situation in a large room in university and then the assets,
Tim Pritlove: american young girl can you explain super why america is the greatest country on earth.
Tim Pritlove: Which is like the typical stereotypical moments like everybody else acoustic this because that you know,
Tim Pritlove: i want his very of us anthem i think his wife who's in the.
Tim Pritlove: The audience is is messaging him like it's not.
Tim Pritlove: Play andre benjamin makes this time and yuno and start saying like nobody else put more,
Tim Pritlove: put more people into a present you know that sings white america support by not ignore this fact not making this comparison with the rest of the world it's
Tim Pritlove: keeps wakening the american position especially in for the moment now
Tim Pritlove: weather would really need to look at other countries house dealing with it in their thing to be cold in capable of running from somebody else because they think they are the best.
Tim Pritlove: Possibly kodaline from somebody else then.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah i remember that very well that was the opener for the series that came out later that they they say in the series we staged that for his career to make a comeback but
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: any in that room go silent of course because there there excited everything is going normally and then he says the the thing you can never say says what's actually not the greatest country in the world
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: record scratch.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: How can you say that and here we are in twenty twenty in election and all these old frasier still being used greatest country in the world,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: create ok trump wishes greatest economy in the world but that's not one that's always been used he pushed but the greatest country in the world every obama has said it and a lot of canada seem to say it even if they don't believe it because you have to.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Like saying what's it at the end of your speech a god bless america again i don't think have the people that i said that believe it.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Any keep saying it because there afraid if you don't say it people will be upset two upset you be seen is not patriotic i mean.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So yeah these dreams been around a long time their loud right now and we've seen how they also play out unfortunately with people,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: being murdered with people struggling maybe worse than ever,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'll say things don't change resister repeat but i have to antologie of course amount of people have died the amount of people that are really struggling right now it's it's high,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i sometimes try to call the idea like so bad it is doing his campaign,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i would like to speak for posterity maybe listening to this podcast many years from now joe biden is the canada for the democratic party,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the former prior vice president and one thing he saying is.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Trump is dangerous any trump's own nice right with her book trump is dangerous is a dangerous man we cannot afford four more years and whenever i hear this,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i said to myself wait a minute didn't say the first four years of trump is gonna be a disaster and india it's been bad but.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Someone still here the country certainly still exist the world still exist i just wanna remind myself sometimes that trump gets related because it's possible and pessimist we will.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Most of us will survive it won't be good but we will survive there's a tendency towards extreme,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: reactions like this man is dangerous compared to
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: give me a bunch of people he is bit more dangerous with power but at the same time i don't think the world collapses i just think it's more than just this one person it's a group of people it's a spirit that just he he is like an antenna for it.
Tim Pritlove: What is the the edge depressing to use the scale i have survive.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes yes.
Tim Pritlove: No
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It isn't true i don't set.
Tim Pritlove: I didn't die if i lost all my money is my friends get inside everywhere i go just because i'm from america you know that.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I've been listening.
Tim Pritlove: People survive i mean.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I have to knowledge that it's not the same you know i have this argument with my partner briefly what i said well had it been who was been hilary clinton we don't know if the situation would be better at work with for example.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: She pointed out that but a lot of his decisions are decisions at a decent functioning politician would not taken and for that reason people are dead.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: That is a hard one for me to argue with i suppose so i supposed yes he has made this works as far as we know.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Street cleaner going by my window.
Tim Pritlove: Add lydia streisand still getting cleaned.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: The vibe.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is that strange like all the things that still happen,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i haven't gone without food even then i'm low on gas and you need.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: But there's a certain level of ok that also exists four some people for an interesting amount of people in this world.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I wanna point out about the something else hilary clinton.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The real election campaign by yelle.
Tim Pritlove: Yes let's focus on the on the election of problem right now so,
Tim Pritlove: that's interesting that last time we spoke electric was just over and.
Tim Pritlove: Jump wasn't dead presidents because presidency starts at the end of january right.
Tim Pritlove: So we knew that was coming i think it was.
Tim Pritlove: Slightly too much worse than we thought it.
Tim Pritlove: Depending on hulu i'm in it wasn't really very optimistic at all and i have always expected to somewhere some kind of fashions m two creepy.
Tim Pritlove: Is that but smallest happened.
Tim Pritlove: So now in between ok we have this disasters years of trump and i think it's totally unnecessary to recount all those things you did because they take,
Tim Pritlove: yes everything today something that the the that happened that was just like oh my god.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: We need to talk about the shower head pressure go ahead.
Tim Pritlove: I have been following since then since this election i have been diving myself,
Tim Pritlove: deep into the american politics podcasting world so with you,
Tim Pritlove: will not next saturday sharing all the opinions but it wasn't interesting constant source of what was going on with you.
Tim Pritlove: Who sings get like in the same way.
Tim Pritlove: Just buy consuming local news at all or just whipp news so you can always to contacts to get the details you could be interpretation in end song,
Tim Pritlove: have a feeling i was following everything more closely.
Tim Pritlove: That was interesting to see that that was some kind of,
Tim Pritlove: what is my depredation all some kind of dream of young people primarily for.
Tim Pritlove: Many reasons funeral gun violence was one of those outbreak of course and shooting stars that's just london,
Tim Pritlove: german turn which which way you use.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Play shooting stars.
Tim Pritlove: I still like it you know shooting stars in germany shooting stars signals rising up quickly of gold shooting star is definitely you know,
Tim Pritlove: going down quickly and then immediately.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes yes.
Tim Pritlove: It's one of those dreamin english what's the use differently than the original meaning so.
Tim Pritlove: Alexandria ocasio-cortez which i think is the most impressive,
Tim Pritlove: pause on the political stage of the last two years in,
Tim Pritlove: every respecting oceans sharp she's on point she's she knows where to turn to chicago interesting set of policies
Tim Pritlove: end she jimenez to some allblack the political system of the democrats by saying,
Tim Pritlove: if we do not come up with you people,
Tim Pritlove: call for democrats for the longest every democrats with ten to be very conservative on their own then nothing will change and that's what she did she came up she's from the bronx right,
Tim Pritlove: so she applied for india in the primary electric wizard slaves like the pre election of who.
Tim Pritlove: Get in the into the real election for the democrats or one that cid closely and i think that she was just reflection right now and the wanted landslide i think so.
Tim Pritlove: Is she came to the the house of the house the congress and.
Tim Pritlove: When is really humid everybody was like yeah she should be president chicane because of you know your sign so she has to wait before,
Tim Pritlove: yeah.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Thirty seconds.
Tim Pritlove: Yes bitch she was like the end of twenty one she was elected need to be like thirty five before you can become president so,
Tim Pritlove: two times do you have to wait and then we'll see of course she's painted as being like a super left wing radical and so but which is always so funny you know when the americans talk about radical left,
Tim Pritlove: what policies mean.
Tim Pritlove: What you would consider social democrats center of pup politics in germany.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes levert like liberal in the us mean for central left liberal europe means anything if they would let you.
Tim Pritlove: Yes it is very different so what was considered radical left wouldn't even qualifiers left in medications in germany which is funny,
Tim Pritlove: i would even say were particularly leftwing anyways so,
Tim Pritlove: see what's coming and she has ignited interesting following,
Tim Pritlove: add a chef also,
Tim Pritlove: too many other young politicians in democratic party to do the same thing you know when the primary elections and some how replace all people on the level then there was this twenty eighteen election,
Tim Pritlove: inbetween electrons the mitchell's.
Tim Pritlove: Which was super important the a team things would have been even worth without it.
Tim Pritlove: So they took the majority in the house back.
Tim Pritlove: Turn off calls if you know how american politics work the congress is too pounds in the senate and descendents basically two pac country right two past eight.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah two two senators state which are electric of course on the state level like these the balance of power basically in the usa mean sound like.
Tim Pritlove: Prohibiting any progress because they can bus busy block anything.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes that the old people that stick around a really long time.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah so people who better be put into horror movies like mitch mcconnell and sign.
Tim Pritlove: Play with politics anyways so disgusting including which might be a long term problem for the us,
Tim Pritlove: i'll be ing the decision point for which judges get elected on on many levels,
Tim Pritlove: what i wanted to say is the midterm elections and this new progressives who are somehow revolutionizing democratic party at least in part from from the ground up.
Tim Pritlove: Is that something that you think.
Tim Pritlove: Will have an impact on this next election is there a chance of getting the democratic party in the majority in the senate.
Tim Pritlove: What else could you imagine,
Tim Pritlove: put happen if things turn out in a positive way.
Tim Pritlove: Optimistic what what is like the best outcome we could have.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Ok so even us a few questions there but i think of start backwards in away,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i think best case scenario based on what's happening right now is that joe budden wings for president and he wins not because he's progressive,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm not because he following the policies of acdc all die young generation unfortunate the squad.
Tim Pritlove: No
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The house i worry i'm not sure if all the those younger,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i said a good shape for years to come now is running on a platform like most democrats in both senate and house which is based on one,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: main principal not trump.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: They put all their money into this and if you watching is kind of interesting in the convention speeches they invited republicans they invited people who work in high level office that were,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: involved in the trump administration many because they were still around after obama eventually fired and what they were appealing to was conservative people and what they were trying to get across is that their not radicals,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: their not trump is number one we're not radicals is number two they're afraid so the democratic party campaign is being by spirit of let's not scared voters off.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Let's now is not the time for green day deal forget it,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: medicare for all if you listen to east radio matches always talking about medicare for all is not a platform of vikings is a platform of acdc it wasn't bernie sanders of course
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: remain critical but he's sort of step in line so best cases by ten wins and i think in the senate they could
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: take a majority of one or two by one or two but.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: People who take the majority are not going to be the young progressive there going to be people who are simply,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not the republican not trump supporters,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not too scary so what's your going to get something that could look like the obama administration which was not progressive all those in comparison looks at,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i want and they will come to power they will have maybe we will control both,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: part of congress very narrowly and that would give them the possibility to pass some legislation the problem is that there's gonna be strong resistance and maybe some of those democrats may not be reliable
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: if the party is senior two two two radical to change so i think that you keep,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the house you keep you get the presidency you naturally get the senate.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: But that doesn't mean they gonna be reliable that's the best case i mean it's pretty good.
Tim Pritlove: The senate i mean for minus the bear hard to see getting reelected right the half.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I have to look it up but i think it's not the half.
Tim Pritlove: Sounds like more or less.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes i have to look at my washington post map and then the question is also with the seats that are contested and this is very useful in the washing post
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: does this will you have to see which ones are actually close because as you as we both of sad some of these representatives
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: they always win again they always come back they stay in office river but some especially with the trump,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: alliances that have been created people canada to a t been behind trump their people are so
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: upset with them that they may even go democrat after a very long time,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: republicans so it's more interesting to see not so much what seether up,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but what seats are close,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: that's very interesting getting towards the map most competitive senate races of twenty twenty,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: twenty-three republican season play and their twelve democratic season play but of the twenty-three republicans seats,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: only thirteen are considered competitive.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: And then in the democrats out of the twelve season play only two or competitive so that does a lot more than gonna change or republican land potentially.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So that could be good.
Tim Pritlove: What yes and amen ghost competitive that are currently help by republicans serenata i think it includes country estates that.
Tim Pritlove: We would never have never have expected to be on that list like is it arizona texas.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Did bread states.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: True georgia.
Tim Pritlove: Which georgia yes.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Will george ezra how it's democratic years but long ago yes yes.
Tim Pritlove: Yes close in the governor's race last year i guess i got the impressions was mostly to election.
Tim Pritlove: Torpedoed by the then setting.
Tim Pritlove: It's not it's been nasty.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Texas would be super interesting.
Tim Pritlove: Yes in texas would be also i mean that would be interesting signal.
Tim Pritlove: It would be something if trump is summer house leading to the republicans losing something that they wouldn't never ever have thought about losing.
Tim Pritlove: That's somehow it a dynamic in itself is not.
Tim Pritlove: Which might also like to the republican party somewhere turning against this.
Tim Pritlove: No sin of being evil more ready always you know supporting the lead amigo the devil become like north korea.
Tim Pritlove: Central party in the behaviors.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes yeah if we went back to our december twenty,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: sixteen show looking back twenty sixteen at that time republicans were still pretty critical trump cause he defended all.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The traditional indian over the last four years we watch them go will you know what this guy can't believe it bodys popular so i'm within.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Any point to you bring up they could a band in him if it seems profitable.
Tim Pritlove: Also i mean if he loses is going to be in the problem i mean that the maine cases been open up criminal cases against without being able to defend them from the presidential office.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is interesting yeah i mean it didn't work with the bush but yes i mean this is a potentially extreme.
Tim Pritlove: Because i don't want to lose in this position its not that he really has any,
Tim Pritlove: alliance in the republican party in he's been a new common he's been.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Dislike and wants loses this power and some.
Tim Pritlove: Yes popular popularity that just all going to the other races are going to leave the ship.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah there's something interesting i think that this these last four years have established the trump family as a new,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: political force that we will see for generate actually we won't will be gone but i really feel like it wasn't the case before i mean,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the republican convention donald trump jr who's never run for anything,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i guess runs a business he's giving speeches about what the country should do and people are listening and sharing i mean ivana trump again i dont remember her resume before her her dad was president these people i don't think there gonna go away
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i think there enjoying this and i think that they are crazy enough they might be slicker than their father.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So they maybe more applicable to the younger generations coming up so i think that you can you know we may see as you said you wanted the the the positive
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: best case scenario i think we do trump go away or become a sort of
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: popular opposition figure is not even her in any office but i still gives speeches and how do something in the media but we'll see the trump family again.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I don't know if it will be a presidency that might be too much but we might see them instead of racist and i think there's a nice people out there that will look back at it four years cause everything can be spun,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: enter still spinning you know these last four years i've been good was just coronavirus in the end economy was great trump speaks differently,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it's a good thing we need to speak differently in politics i think,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm looking to advance i think these people want to keep doing this and they may have enough support.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Not for this next selection but in in the coming after so years.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: No melania i don't think she's gonna stick to politics was really bad.
Tim Pritlove: So i was just about to ask about more pessimistic
Tim Pritlove: fuel on what could happen in the new came up with trump family playing major role in the,
Tim Pritlove: next kids just like we've seen it with the kennedys the clinton's the bush's and so it's always crazy this dynasty style.
Tim Pritlove: Way of mino where were families have the used impact on the hood politics system which is something that.
Tim Pritlove: I don't weather maybe a bit in an indian politics but it's not that the names replay miserable by itself.
Tim Pritlove: That's different so ok so of course.
Tim Pritlove: Worst outcome is is obvious in the senate stay the same.
Tim Pritlove: How was probably gets even close or democrat losing out which i don't really happening and then of course of pregnancy still going to trump in between.
Tim Pritlove: If the democrats make it to me being elected the president.
Tim Pritlove: What north gaining the necessary seats in the senators list making it fifty fifty.
Tim Pritlove: What would that mean.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Means that not much will change in actual policy so we started by talking about ac.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: And there was the question of if some of his policies that,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: she and and people who supporter and work with her looking for,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: you're not going to happen because they require.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is it at level of government the required the votes their require people to want it but it does mean,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: as far as you can tell
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: can we know from from history also biden is going to speak much more as a someone who tried to united the country is going to try obama to do well i thought to speak to americans who don't support him,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not really trump doesn't do that there gonna be a lot of talk about being a country that actually listens to people who disagree if i could be healthy.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So this could be something but policy wise we're not going to see much,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: move forward so you're concerned about climate change if you're concerned about the way the economy works who is favors healthcare i said i don't think we see much happen.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Unless a miracle happens in terms of getting republicans to sort of some republicans to to work together with democrats which is not a popular thing to do so that's gonna be difficult i think we're still a whole
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: crowd of people who elect people and an elected officials worry about that do not like.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Byron do not like a do not want these policies so i think you get a very
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: attempt to go back to a a golden era if you if you look back at obama as a golden era but it's not even gonna be that it's going to be
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the best we can do for now i don't think on the good side if you're tired of every day there's a thing,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: you may find is going into a time warp well everyday there's not a thing because the
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: president suddenly inspired to be angry at something nice to go back to possibly
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: by billie other sources of accusations and anchor
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i don't have to come from the president so i think we can have again,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: something like the obama erra actually with the last four years i believe where he doesn't have
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the support of his congress so he can come up with a good healthcare plan but it won't get out of congress intact
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: end their for it will die obamacare never really surface the way it was supposed to and i don't even know if it would work out,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: god.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The correct way but so that we get a little bit of the repetition of the last four years of obama as you said.
Tim Pritlove: Put the world has changed in the that's love little things have been cut off.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: No yeah i think it gonna be excitement to reconnect from the outside and maybe from the inside in the us.
Tim Pritlove: Play a definitely from europe i mean that's what europa longing for because they know if trump continues as presidency.
Tim Pritlove: That's probably going to be the biggest political revolution in the year they're not going to waste anytime.
Tim Pritlove: Two two come up with skim of ok how are we august organizing a self defense is going to be some military packed possibility even replacing nature.
Tim Pritlove: Kevin problems nato if it is special if you look at the turkey,
Tim Pritlove: end the conflict the constantly creating the involved
Tim Pritlove: syria walk the problems with the green borders in san jose it has been a good thing having turkey in spanish you have them in their own lions stand in any
Tim Pritlove: add especially in the russian influence which is definitely one of the the blue problems came up year
Tim Pritlove: but they will definitely come up with a new way of.
Tim Pritlove: Finding themselves talking to the world,
Tim Pritlove: pendent of the us i think that that would probably.
Tim Pritlove: Off most not but most of the major.
Tim Pritlove: Link to any american policy.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah which part of me would like to see the year pinion more stuff without waiting for the us to tell
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the lead to start an issue of so there is i mean i want to know if you called positive deserve i would look forward to that i have kind of enjoyed that idea that the world is not look to the us so often anymore,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: unfortunately it's because their sort of horrified in shamed by the us i would prefer just be that,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the rest of the world or be at the iu also good ideas we don't need you to tell us how we should be next.
Tim Pritlove: The us mostly about trade and business and also is a political road for the u
Tim Pritlove: developed and anders not so much agree general agreement within
Tim Pritlove: you rope what this policy should look like two pac extended being designed undone developed
Tim Pritlove: but also know that once america some how turns into a for another friend also mean a big impact on
Tim Pritlove: on this economic policies which also means that europe needs to alive probably more with other parts of power.
Tim Pritlove: End of calls number one on the list is kina.
Tim Pritlove: Which has been very carefully choosing the apathy into the world and while,
Tim Pritlove: you're anders specializing as well paisley asleep at the wheel.
Tim Pritlove: What is the possible exception of alabama wild side coming in the,
Tim Pritlove: i want to make this pacific trade partnership with trumpet canceled for,
Tim Pritlove: no reason.
Tim Pritlove: Now china has its hands busy everywhere i mean big enough rica that bigger letters america and of course the eastern.
Tim Pritlove: Asian influence there's nothing that compares two china maybe russia yandel is big of a power now so,
Tim Pritlove: you're passed find a way here might be very complicated for them because it's not only about.
Tim Pritlove: You know who you tell with who tried with what what kind of contacts you do it's also cultural thing as always helped that basically the cultural differences between the us and europe well they exist but they are minor.
Tim Pritlove: Compare two.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah yeah yeah interesting if i say that
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: abiding presidency will go back to the police obama this is that mean that they run in here arms open back to china with all kinds of concepcion free trade of go on doing what you doing i mean,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the old expression of broken clock is right twice a day.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I believe that i wonder what will happen actually that i believe trump brought up some interesting issues in his own ridiculous way
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: including how are relationship is with china as a country that manufacturers things build a lot of infrastructure
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: if you choose them with five g. u. n. other infrastructure i think it's been strangely good,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: in terms of asking questions about things unfortunately questions it becomes stupid in terms of conspiracy like virus comes from china whatever you know i think trump accidentally,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: stumbled into this area that's why sometimes even maybe working people get excited by him because they asked questions of you know should we be manufacturing everything in china should we agree that all the
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: apps that are developed by chinese companies i think the criticism,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i have criticize tik tok long ago when they first appeared but now it's become a trump things so unfortunately makes very hard criticize tick tock it's like,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm not with him but i would like to know about where the data goes it so i wonder what happens if if biting is elected president and we
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: we want to go back to a bit,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: open policies with other countries what is the us and them together what do they do in terms of china technology i do not know.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The way used to be was more free trade more exchange more involvement without,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: message sarah a lot of questions i know some country companies have ask questions google.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: How china managing governs over things like data.
Tim Pritlove: Yes that's true i mean
Tim Pritlove: the europa earth's cry heaven's smile
Tim Pritlove: give us the power off setting up black crowes like facebook and is also beyond the tick tock movie some,
Tim Pritlove: play see them as a contender of being the next thing of you know where everybody is but now they are afraid.
Tim Pritlove: They might be defining the rules and then some how.
Tim Pritlove: More related to how the chinese seaworld and so much or america and see the world also knowing that was
Tim Pritlove: much easier for them to influence their own people using facebook,
Tim Pritlove: especially in the election process into the woods they couldn't replicate this with take top that's probably what trump is thinking about.
Tim Pritlove: Set that says popular the only thing you think about somebody you know.
Tim Pritlove: Tell me onto the scene developing a power just can't buy shit into it and then it the the chinese defining the political message freedom fry.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Anything useful enemy to point at which is why i still insists on attaching china to the coronavirus and seaforth kids currently or previously used to talk curiosity.
Tim Pritlove: Use this problem right there watching it.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I'm old okay yeah.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: My sixteen year old nephew lamented very much is very worried that was gonna get close down and he was sort of sharing on other platforms of the the greatest hits in his mind before it goes away.
Tim Pritlove: Yes popular kids totally understand why they had some original ideas in the beginning made it not only popularity.
Tim Pritlove: The defining place for what's cool what's next what's interesting.
Tim Pritlove: That's what's the most interesting thing is for kids always also because facebook has been.
Tim Pritlove: A place where people are you know.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Call people.
Tim Pritlove: I mean facebook story that coming this by the boyz instagram in the head the success with it instagram keeps being very important platform not so convinced take this ride taking over because i think to.
Tim Pritlove: Take over they need to add much more in terms of communication,
Tim Pritlove: on that perform now it's more about what gets pushed into your channels overdose open this app after ten.
Tim Pritlove: That's that's right that's saying something of course of b young everything is new york you're capable of dealing with it in a different way,
Tim Pritlove: but it it's not really the same as facebook but,
Tim Pritlove: people know things can go on pretty quickly on the internet on the that's weather moving much faster right now in in the way.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Put this is connected to my dick questions when we get by if we get sorry biden presidency,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: a lot of things will there be attempt to fix relations will be attempts to open versus what's being closing connections in communication i wonder what happens to somebody traditionally very
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: open channels before trump what they become.
Tim Pritlove: Find will just take a make her the official tik tok.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: It's like a press secretary yeah i mean conspiracy conspiracy by the republican party what happens when they say
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: all of the radical left are gonna be able to influence him because he's all any does this week or sleep whatever they calling and that's a funny
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: story to tell because i'm telling different story on telling you i'm buying presidency means no you and an energy necessarily because he
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i don't wanna is a feeling people who don't want that right now but trump is pushing the idea to know that is what ya gonna do which of course,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i would enjoy if they did that little bit invite the youth of the party darius push for progressive new ideas.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I think it's very much everything is fine i'm not crazy.
Tim Pritlove: Alright i think i'm if we some how establish some kind of new cycle for news of the world in the coming months i think we're going to,
Tim Pritlove: keep us focus on on the how deep electrons are going on that son of the defining moment of the time that's it maybe we should.
Tim Pritlove: Round up this show by,
Tim Pritlove: taking a lisa pick a some other things that might be interesting maybe in the contacts of the bigger things or just because they should be.
Tim Pritlove: Discussed.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah say like things that i am both interested in watching and i of course we don't know what's going to happen whenever really do but certainly,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: based on a specially what happened to last few months last few weeks my eyes often go towards lebanon and beirut i really i want to know
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: how this process of rebuilding
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: enrique instruction n helping people is going to go not just in the short term it in the long term which is always the hardest part you know they need,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: many things including money by
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: they also have a political system that is most built to move extremely slowly and sometimes very well always very paralyzing so i don't know it's gonna happen but keep an eye on lebanon.
Tim Pritlove: Do you have been there right.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah done too podcast series their one with chris light in two thousand twelve which is very much focus on artists different kinds of artists and then it in two thousand fifteen was there again,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: catch up with a lot of the same people i had interviewed a few years before many close friends very special people of mine in beirut and are all dealing with what's happening attended,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: conference call last week with a twenty people very much focus on how are we doing as people regardless if we're not related to the explosions,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: how can we go forward not just in terms of life,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: helping one another with stuffed with action but also just emotionally and what i really observed and a lot of my work these days is connected to this is people who are very traumatized,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: people who can't sleep people who can focus people who have dreams and nightmares about the explosions and explosions and that's,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i mean that city of a few million going through that so it's a it's very difficult situation often focus on how much is it gonna take how much money how many resources but what about,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: how do you speak to people who are traumatized on how to help.
Tim Pritlove: In lebanon is.
Tim Pritlove: I've never been there adult machine head left to have been because it's so unique if you,
Tim Pritlove: look at all the neighbors of lebanon is of course syria which has been a total catastrophize now for how many years eight years.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes.
Tim Pritlove: Then of course israel.
Tim Pritlove: Is a playground for all those powers that are defining the fate of the the whole middle east but say it's always been.
Tim Pritlove: Very exceptional and somehow managed to be i wouldn't say you trial but.
Tim Pritlove: Is there some kind of common agreement by all those forces to have at least one place where they are constantly fighting each other.
Tim Pritlove: So they have a space weather can talk to if they need to.
Tim Pritlove: What is is that what is why is lebanon riders still exist what what is the defining,
Tim Pritlove: mana hear that the the that's that's that makes this place why is it there.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I mean why is there a i can't possibility answer maybe because the food is so damn good and.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: People are so inspiring exciting kind i can't say enough about
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: anywhere say while you go to neighboring country in people must not be there different i can't speak that i can just.
Tim Pritlove: What is also very good in israel so that it is a thing of that area yeah make me better food.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Well yeah it's always arguments arguments about a bruise humans yes yes yes.
Tim Pritlove: That's what they should focus on that's really that's that shit the the whole debate in the middle east should be like who is making the best food and you're dumb.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: food network and then you set up a a competition olympian competition for fruit but it has been used i don't know this it's been used as a proxy,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: unfortunately sort of almost pop it for several forces has bola
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but also syrian regime in general has has long been involved in politics in the country and israel doesn't necessarily involved in politics maybe but they have of course
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: recent as what two thousand six,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: turn the name a bomb the country you know it's it's really you just never know when something hard is about to happen sometimes courtesy of a neighbor,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: any it's a heartache station but what's amazing is that the people that are in the country.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: So caring on and busy doing a and i think they will continue and it's doing it with what was already limited electricity you always had power cults limited water,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it's one of the first place is it off work in afghanistan but we're water and powerwolf things that you really planned around
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: like when is there gonna be some how much do i need to put in bottles for later power wise what i need to charge so lebanon unfortunately was not in a position is everybody keep saying in the media to handle a disaster
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: add unfortunately a huge disaster hit specially beirut.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Having to deal with this so it's it's stuff and i tell you what the hardest part i'm sure it's the braindrain it's the people who live,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i'm notorious leaver you know i love the usa couldn't get it right want to be there and then my dear portugal outside and stay in,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: still difficult i have other interests and even when my,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: conversation with lebanese friends everlast few weeks many i haven't talked with a while is catching up you know if there's so many who are outside the country and fisher many more now we're gonna leave and,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: when they leave these are fantastic.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Not just the food part but the you know the knowledge the skills the arts it's just such a wealthy place in that sense and off people will go and so i mean there's always a risk that,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the alternative the country will shift again the people with with the energy and the creativity in the spark that is so wonderful
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: maybe gone and who is left to fight over
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the crumbs maybe i help but so i hear you know people leaving cuz i am i would completely we roll understand if someone left lebanon right now as they have for years
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but then again people are such a spirit to find a way and it is very much a country that finds a way no matter what
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: but they could really use help from the rest of the world,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: add a undercurrents i collect any sort of information and can from special from the who has a good band
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: with with lebanon familia familiar reality us a weird relationship with lebanon i think like more distant obviously physically but also
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: maybe misunderstanding of young americans don't know how loud is not really anything name of the president send a little message but not much more,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: there is the american university and ivy rue which is a fantastically legendary place for creativity knowledge.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: But that's so it's i hope that this rebuilding process happens and that it comes back stronger than i was which includes,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: electricity sustainable system bout that government the way the government works i don't even know how to explain it cause i'm
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: not miller without the details but i know that all these different parties have to be involved in any government and they never,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: play still now do not push any kind of agenda to really improve the quality of life especially for those who are from their group,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: are there received of echo to the us in our all about if you voted for me i'm gonna improve where you are from vaiana gonna do things for your life.
Tim Pritlove: Begin who is there any stabilizing factors in lebanon are there,
Tim Pritlove: any interest from the outside two to keep lebanon going,
Tim Pritlove: that's why sylvan or this just like this the the survival instinct on this those people keep it goin'.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I want to give credit to the people that are there and end the last few months even before corona actually so maybe its been almost a year there has been a daily on the street,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: protest movement trying to get rid of this corrupt do nothing government started with a garbage strike i think more than a year ago,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: add everyday lot of my friends were involved so i got to learn about it through social media their not just protests they had teachings on the street where they talked about
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: how governments should work how they could work how communities could organize themselves it was so created
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yes i guess every now and then there actually police and they wrote made men things thrown any other but actually for from much of it was a sort of art and
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: culture spilling out all over the place randomly and also sometimes planned i think that's what keeps this country going this is so many,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: people who were determined,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: what is quit still be something that there is something of great value here a beautiful stretch of land also im in lebanon has the snowy ski mountains and it has been unbelievable beaches
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it was on the mediterranean wish i thought this would be in the moment because i'm not that israel would say like it listens help,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: no strings attached no no no harsh words but the happening.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: How many governments might get involved france has unique relationship with lebanon part of it's always been pushing their sort of language colonialism considered part of the frank a phone nations.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: If you know lebanon english has become very much
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: language of the city but francis still there any of my lebanese friends speak speak both french english besides arabic
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so friends has a strong connection and their heavenly involved even now with their government officials going to lebanon during the crisis to try to go shade the whole package to show support.
Tim Pritlove: I was surprised to see macaroni going to lebo m. lebanon so quickly wasn't really well of the link on actually i mean is anybody french.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes yes yeah yeah i think it's decline,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so origination anyone
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: yeah born in the late seventies and eighties would have i think learn french in school independent which school you went to french is a thing but i would say it's it's very much decline english is very strong their,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: any friends hangs on.
Tim Pritlove: I mean the happy fits everybody else still sticking to french this bitch.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Any lebanon has been and end my lebanese friends i think would remind me for the wealthy unfortunately but for well the people in the middle east
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: a vacation spot for a long time a place to own apartment unfortunately don't live there so are you really a member of community but that's always a thing ever that beirut as well,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: start apartment building is beautiful that's on by a wealthy guy from the us or jordan or something so it's very much been.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Almost what you said a place to go i don't know but definitely as get away,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: for the middle east where life was a bit freer than maybe in your home country.
Tim Pritlove: That's not stop find my religion as other countries.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: The people well i say not at all wrong way it is religion is there,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: it's always the background and new politics i think it's still quit strong but you know i know beirut and beirut is very interesting in terms of.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: How is josh ward tolerant everyone is it really a hodgepodge of styles and.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Similar to paris it's very much about looking good.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Pressure address now his and have a cool restaurant it serves in that sensato extremely at least is very european and i have to say lebanon in general remind me of,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: portugal very often,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: so i think that's also this cultural connections leading all the way back to the phoenicians,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: change of humans between the middle east.
Tim Pritlove: Yes not always lost within one hundred years so the middle east.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Country will be there but but i would be great if it were in a place where people have to suffer so much on a daily basis.
Tim Pritlove: Set a list of this is also a place where the world needs to keep watching
Tim Pritlove: no because of the conflict in syria and iraq also it's summer house fuel literally fuel of conflict,
Tim Pritlove: and the rest of the world and so many things are this side least for in the area.
Tim Pritlove: Enter now let's see if we get a chance of returning to some kind of non-emergency in the the future which would be quiet.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes really helps i think if people care weather is an average person or government i mean the moment we don't talk anymore and we don't pay attention.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I don't think that help with you know improving situations in a country because of disaster or conflict or whatever difficult.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Very much in general in this world and certainly to the middle east living here in europe.
Tim Pritlove: So much what you think.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: That's that's three giant bit of news,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: what you see everything is connected and i think that's corona has been a reminder of how we are all very very much connected so what.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: One news item easily ties into the next one coronavirus every country at this point.
Tim Pritlove: No that's wrong so it's going to be a defining factor any kind of reporting for the time to come i would say we will just wrapped up.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yes definitely will provide some links and fun and the greatest bits again.
Tim Pritlove: It was it was i think we should stay in love i mean we're not going to return to weekly schedule that's probably not impossible the weather would just suggestion,
Tim Pritlove: try to get together a probably once a month at least for the the the next month regarding the us elections depending on on on what happens.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah.
Tim Pritlove: I will also like to hear if anybody is actually listening to the shores so if you've made it to hear you probably interested in more than just let it,
Tim Pritlove: how do you say this leave a comment below.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Right.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Yeah shows the state subscribed you know that little feat in your player and suddenly there red lighter whatever it is so we're back.
Tim Pritlove: Yes yeah no no no beloit kansas.
Tim Pritlove: No but i still prefer the traditional way of podcasting in ohio useless delivered in the good old days,
Tim Pritlove: what finding nemo now now.
Tim Pritlove: Turn off internet soul.
Tim Pritlove: Special unknown.
Tim Pritlove: The radical left of media and look what has happened.
Tim Pritlove: What cast are everywhere now and i don't.
Tim Pritlove: I don't do not really complain.
Tim Pritlove: Because why should i am in anyway it's one i've been telling everybody else anyway,
Tim Pritlove: set this is happening i was always convince that the podcast are going to make their way everywhere simply because it's it's.
Tim Pritlove: Initiate we good fit for a for other media just too extended into it with scenery with newspapers with senile with tv.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: No it's it's it's it's radio it's a new radio it's it's maybe taking place medium,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: the question i have it is in a what kind of podcasts are out there how do they work how are they funded would message so i know it's certainly
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: does the word in the name of the existence a podcast is now very much out there and that's useful and good,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: generally but the next question is yet what are we doing with podcasts and we're doing a lot obviously people are but yeah what were where where are we doing well in podcast where we missing other voices are or maybe technology.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Could improve there's a conversation recently on a podcast rewatching film pump up the volume pirate radio.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Christian slater it's worth watching you enjoy it runs pirate radio in the late eighties and pirate radio all about
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: noncommercial things you're not allowed to say teenagers so alive sex messages your parents don't want you to talk about the podcast it was analysing the film said oh wow,
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: this this guys basically a podcasters.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: You know he's doing radio from his basement illegally that's basically podcast and send a message arguing like no this guy is a
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: hi rate podcasters or podcasting is the medium it's the messages the type of show the approach that's what is exciting i think potentially very exciting because of the podcast as you said and many of them sound exactly like radio did
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i don't and that's interesting to me.
Tim Pritlove: Yeah i mean we also see the political groups jumping on the podcasting wagon it's not this library islands we would have to be.
Tim Pritlove: What i think we would never expected that is also something i mean being behind the big one of those behind the potluck project people turn to be like this is not the podcast using yourselfer i think you can do about it
Tim Pritlove: open sauce soft country control using it in the end,
Tim Pritlove: i don't think the medium itself is winning any was i mean it still depends on what you doing what you can do and podcasting,
Tim Pritlove: is is very applicable doom patrol many things and really matters on how you wanna use it been question of.
Tim Pritlove: No need to expand into other media square foot photos mendez is going discussion on the influence of platforms like spotify.
Tim Pritlove: The song i'll try to you know.
Tim Pritlove: Podcast to make more noise and then get more customers for this shit in india end could be in a situation where,
Tim Pritlove: play sometime define the rose of hole the game is being played on this earth definitely something i don't really wanna be,
Tim Pritlove: so far i think the medium has been very brazilian to influence still if it's it's it's still pretty much alive,
Tim Pritlove: when i enjoy that i hope more people will be able to you know live from somehow.
Tim Pritlove: I know you try to hasn't ready what all the time.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Formalize.
Tim Pritlove: Survived.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Is there anything now.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I've had great adventures i have wonderful friends i have a wealth of things you question is for the next chapters of my life as a greer.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: Will this continue to work for that
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i know it's wonderful for from my mental and in my heart but it's not ask if you know whether it's retirement or home ownership or or raising children
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: i want to do that that's the question i have not yet been able to answer with my podcasting.
Tim Pritlove: Alright so will see if we can create a new funding for father show and then well.
Tim Pritlove: Will see what happens song anyways thanks mark.
Tim Pritlove: Everybody listening to this show surprise i can see speak english and.
Mark Fonseca Rendeiro: I understand you the whole time.
Tim Pritlove: That is great news show thank you for listening goodbye.