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State of the West — US elections — Lebanon
So we're back! After a super long break of almost four years we decided to continue this podcast in one way or another. Certainly not on a weekly basis but the upcoming US elections are going to be something we want to comment on at least in the coming months to get a grip on what the world is going to face and what the implications are going to be for all of us.
Veröffentlicht am: 27. August 2020
I mean that is a thing if you have these things documented and people who have kept blogs or just even if diary at home notice sometimes when i look back and see a moment and it says like this is the worst this is the time and then. You look at your life now you see me yourself again jotting notes like this is the worst so. It was the worst of times it was the worst of times.
Yes yes everybody you're so many moments but yet the end of the obama presidency i mean he said it but many people were saying over gonna certainly miss this president weather for the way he is with words and with people or a policies possible and yeah there we are almost four years four years later and, many people more more than before probably stay live way back they had kate mccannon. I don't know that works well in germany but in the i've always been joyed her angela merkel, end sheets she will be loved letters barraca it with this idea that miracle love is obama and she's also gonna miss him like crazy and end hear that world where you know, miracle and barak do not get to hang out decisions together so it's just miracle and i guess macaroni, dear friend that's just not the same as it.
Everybody including germany some how are you know. If it's your country and the afters inside full view of dinozaurs and international politics but also our nation, itself behaves and excision it's it's a different story but it's, of course if you compare to the rest of not so many liters in the free world around the world in general that really are, making a difference and over lasting impact on sings i mean what's good about her instead. Call the usually too late and usually. No never enough is progressive percentage mean would like to she knows when the time has come for something to change. Increase stand this multiple times now it for the general public. Out of nowhere but then she's making the point for instance turn around on. Nuclear plants in germany after the fukushima disaster. She said like ok i thought about it we are stopping this. No when was decision on that day and everybody new no more discussions that that's it or, marriage was also twenty point party was really really know when was extending this into forever, the weather point timer should just dropped just asking the interview about this. End all season was something don't recall something like that you know that should be done something. Everybody new life okay that's enough so so she's been. Particularly good at this this big turnarounds and anna wise obvious that once she had made up her mind, the party could really do anything against her to follow because she was capable of keeping the power in her party it away nobody expected before.
Is actually also like from outsider because like you said if you know the democratic situation that you don't necessarily share for her depending on your your politics on your your goals but internationally in recent history there not many political leaders leaders of a country that are seen as what i would call almost a political, like international scene people don't think about angela merkel as conservative or progressive. I would say i just think of us stable rational end that doesn't happen very often not the case you don't see it that way understand but this very few i think that our world war internet the way we discuss things makes it very difficult even get popular by not being very obviously a conservative or or progressive insurance situations mayers more famous for this like you have a mayor of a city and you may not know in the us they dont even have political party sometimes so it look for signs maybe otherwise their just this figures that could go left could go right could go middle, what are some health stable trustworthy maybe churchill even had this i was forget what party he was from, because it was the church hill time and of course i wasn't around anyway. What is very rare have an figure that is seen as just stabled first before whatever party their from.
Yeah that's that help but it doesn't work for example for bush something big he made is mark as a sort of i'm gonna be extra tough and it within my top news lot of harsh policies last of phyno he just not seen nine political figure those people now within the us who will look back because of who's president now and how this person is president look back at busch pretty good which is of course rewriting history is always pretty good i would say, but now.
Set it will there actually there the family of elephante in detroit and after has been looking at all topic list of the last show and, one of those was brexit. Turn and that's actually something that can be very busy as you are audiomachine and last afternoon a podcast series on on brexit for a long time at which is the kind of still going so it's like, every three months or so i am doing an update on what has happened so far what's about to happen. Find now that the actual brexit technically has taken place. We all know. No nobody knows where this is going actually it's like you politics it's getting really getting worse all the time, but it has an interesting impact on on on me as you know you know it's finally for me to get the drama nationality.
Which to those who, i don't know i mean i have been an on paypal i've been britt on my left because my father was breakbot died early so i drop in germany germany but just not on paper so now i'm finally. Zoom in on paper which is quite helpful about that the uk has left europe, is left i mean has left the you know i'm not sure about leave europe i don't think so song.
Yeah but there's also scotland with that feat duke ocean and petaling the other directions to. It's not going to happen how soon as they think they are and especially look at us situation are there i think they're having dependent on what's going on in the us and if there's a train for turn around that's probably going to healthy brick city because just stupid and incapable of doing governments in the us right now. But mentioning is it interesting to see what the impact of brexit on the rest of europe was.
I mean uk so who expected, i don't know what day expected but the hell that they have this view like the us this somehow the world is, is it center around london depends on some kind of gravitation force that everybody has to hear too and of course that didn't happen and use bazzi vs moving on an internet doing pretty grades instead.
Yeah that's interesting comparison with us over the last four years but for the uk i guess the last will it ever since the referendum i think that there is the general spirit doesn't always come out or it's not always possible but we're going to gallant now, like we don't like the decision we don't like what you chosen but as the rest of the world or in this case is the rest of europe what now going to move forward differently than we used to we're not gonna look to you whether you're the uk the us were just not gonna look to you for leadership for good ideas you're not gonna participate in whatever were doing, end it's adam sure there's many moments where that makes things more difficult perhaps love the same time it's just a continuous right continue.
What else could you do to help you and jeremih, before brexit the relationship of your opinions are you members or like the people in you country is what's the use somehow. Will it says reserve in all is like yeah exists i don't really see a particular reason, why i should supported your everything fox on the run nation and the us senator birocratic level that nobody really needs i think. The brexit face have some house shawn that it's it's more than that is much more than that. Turn that yaz given the choice people are. Definitely rooting for this corporation and security that the us provided for such a long time and at the end of this year when, the uk is molesta going into no deal situation weather don't really have anything no defined relationship to the which is going to. Both and trouble. Just just the trouble with us getting into the pretty much prepared for it and date it already in the box and some hall, ok you later in an indian no what's coming i still have this feeling with the uk doesn't really know what's happening this summer. Things that will be some kind of magic on everybody's turning two thousand, sorry yeah yes you did he is your special relationship is everything you wanted for free without you having to pay for it and that's just not happening.
I think there will because once they realize what they have lost which they still don't really, weather right now the acceptance is there and it's all the details it's not over need traded n money and opportunity and freedom of movement still celebrating, taking away the freedom of movement and foxing on freedom of movement of other people not realizing the basically taking, away their own freedom of movement which is so upset and one stay notice that even going on holidays going to be a problem. The things will start changing so it will take sometime and big thief with you ak is that. Is this whole craziness. Which way are going to talk about in detail not this whole crazy especially the hole british craziness some harry gets more oxygen two continue. By whatever events. When you have the problem that you have a country that has summer cat all the ties to everybody, you're the closest neighbors the closest l a 's finest summer pro to influence of money and political influence from what other countries we've already seen it has been documented like the influence of russian doll vegas on on the tory party others documents have been coming out, add bennett, can quickly turn into some kind of drug state that doesn't seem to be under control by anything any longer also it has to deal with the the panic they are causing for so many people problems like. Getting food and devaluation of money and answer on in addition to all the freedom that have been taken away that. Set dennis very complicated to deal with uk any any longer cause they are not obliged to confirm to any rules. End the one step left turn on happy with and then they start pointing to everybody else being the animals. Which day already do some how about that, yes that's potential scales this app significantly you know that everybody is just against the uk, which is natural mystic we don't care like your problem but that's going to put it out into the public just to make the public believe that it's the same story of divided conquer all over again.
It's always worked it seems to continue to work i mean it if we look east that is also the dialogue weather is hungry or belarus i know there's a slightly different situations but in ider case you have a leader telling stories that involved we are under attack in hungary it's working the attack by the iu or hey portal soros in bellevue cinco de mayo is borders about to invade so it's always story of not just the volume people but make people afraid someone is coming someone is going to take what you have i have a lot of experience in in russia as a visitor turn a list that story they never stop telling it, even now in twenty twenty you know the the outside world including the west especially they wanna take whenever i special life and culture russia has these kinds of stories still work.
Yes to selena funny cartoon that summer repeating this way the king looking down at the people in the wearing pitchforks and torches in and, device is talking to the kingsmen yeah is it. You don't need to find them you just need to convince the pitchfork people that the touch people want to take away their picture fox.
If these protesters there a mix of terrorists or paid agitators provocateur popular one, everyone's provocateur that isn't in favor of the government, so yeah these things even know where such in advance society in twenty twenty we still have them everywhere you look their someone trying to push this idea with some success. That is not ended.
No not even counting people i mean it's always been political i should say counting people has become political but it's it's now like they actively want to destroy this process, put it up there on the list with the post office and all the other things that you don't want help or you don't wanna fuck you wanted destroy them stop them, so yes the us i forgot what the numbers are with corona know that dead sara above one hundred and fifty thousand that's probably create a conservative number at this point from coronavirus and then the actual number of infected is in the millions you have the sinner was a spike maybe it continues in the state where there was no other work very few infections for five months ago were there was big pressure open invite open i mean business open have your schools open which is happening now, yes we speak or in within a week my brother and sister in law work in schools and they have to go back to work.
Yeah i know if you saw that axwell interview, another the bad lip reading also which is very good with the actual interview but the journalist who sings australia i wanna say he he asked them straight out says you're very into a positive thinking mr president do you think that's sometimes been bad during this pandemic it was interesting cause it was he was pushing. Trump's own behavior like really into positive thinking i get it but do you think it's always good and trumps i can you gotta be positive thinking, could much worse and he really doesn't want to like the positives the positive, so that's enough in the country list from the leadership that's the focus yes, tim can bring lots of terrible stats about what's happening in the us cause its bad but the leadership can point out to a lot of other things that could have happened. I didn't.
Yes and he's been he had a credit station following trump's since the beginning of this campaign to become president i think i listen to the presidency so that's also good because i mean it must be very stressful to be a journalist trying to stick with this president because you can be kicked out you can be accused of things sometimes when you least expected sometimes you know you know what it doesn't like this journalist in this interview i hate watching likes watching a trump interview at this point the used to be funny. What is not funny anymore, but put this one i would say watch the first four minutes after that you be too sick to continue because he tries he released.
Rosie trump doesn't trump, hey portal bring lots of papers with charts any hands them two and them eat have bar graphs on them and then yes yes that works really well for the bad lip reading also these papers pictures so the journalist does push him, more on est and you know kind of says like i get it you're doing a good job he really brings out all of trumps things that i want people to recognized before he asks difficult question which is, i would say a good strategy like you have to ignore this man everyone will say it was like a child find give the child a little bit of what they want so that then you can ask why can't you want and he he doesn't interesting. For a bit so yeah because it's latest it's actually conference, interesting way as far as i can see i could get to the end trump doesn't walk away stick with it, end the journalist doesn't really back down but of course it doesn't matter to get much.
Yeah trumpet many times will say in his word read the cause their asking about, how how does he know that it could've been so much worse or based on what he says weather manuals and books you can read them. End the all say that i could be much worse and tha realist interrupt city has what which manuals which books any trump tries to explain a little it doesn't name any specific books really.
Yeah in the background we have anthony for rachel house still beating keep this job gucci sad through many presidents as the head of what the cdc no, i don't know the doctor if he still hanging in there surprisingly where he will say something cautious he's been this week because we're getting towards the election and there's a lot of talk about vaccines we know russia has released their vaccine, i have no information on that thing but you know it's out i guess one of putin's many robot daughters took the vaccine so that must mean something some she still alive, maybe heard if she wasn't.
Let's let's broiler move on in general two hours discover crises has impacted well. The us in particular. Maybe the world made it's been the defining topic of this year and thought that is interesting on many levels. Specially because of the election but it has also change. The world are nobody really knows where this is going to detour which means this potential instability because once people don't know where things are going no, begin sings changed it would expected that's like the the lumineers problem that that moe instability is in san countries. Will you tomorrow or conflict of coast but there's usually associated with countries that. Do not have you know it well functioning administration well functioning civilization if you were here will end no the us summer-house has managed to get. The top rings not the top ranked in this list where would we be really surprised he like what the hell are you so this function and all that you can't even, hello sounds like this with all the resources you have and that's what was so. Surprising to see if it for me because i thought well this is going to be difficult for the us. Just because of the way so, pause social security is organized the specials the medical system is organized so that was my expectation from the start that there will be problems but i won't have expected to be as bad, is there toddler incapable of dealing with the for such a long time.
Yeah i mean it's a lie the used a lot now especially because of the election that. It is because of trump that things are so bad that if someone else has been president no matter what the party that it wouldn't have gotten difficult searchin because their hypothetical are we don't know in the end we just know that the man doesn't do things very well not just communicate but so also, i think you very correct having been raised in the us and spend a decent amount of time trying to understand it is a country so many gaps not just in terms of income but space styles of living end we see it whenever election comes around and you think you know how people are gonna go and then they don't go that way are you think you know what people would value and then they value something else some someone else so. It's hard to say how could this happen, any country that has so many resources because the country is notorious lee bad at handling what it has including yes latino you have potentially great healthcare for people if you can afford it right if you can get there so. This fitz and way not everyone will agree obviously but this fits with what the us is it's a place of so many contradictions and it's a place that looks very shiny from outside, maybe were you when you're actually in it and as you travelers you listen to people you find it's it's actually full of problems before corona and then you compounded when you saw corona on it and then you see it play out indeed it's gone i would say pretty bad as bad maybe as it could get i don't know but yeah unless surprise about how bad is gone, it's just interesting how hard it is for a desert to die times like new york new jersey the hollies coast having been the first place where these things spread and were bad yes the big open spaces i guess that expensive but there was not so much corona but now it's flipped right now that big pup in spaces do have corona the kumar crowded coastal cities have gotten some kind of handle on it with spikes of course so it's just unpredictable every time you think you know america you don't, just so many different people live i fancy myself more of a person who can tell you about new jersey new york maybe east coast i can't tell you about cancel without talking to friends and kansas it's just too different re make speak the same language but we don't live the same life at all.
I mean that's interesting this is probably the first time i've seen, details one hundred one comparisons between the us and the iu because once you put up those numbers you know you gotta direct. Correlation molesta real time and that's a few that usually, well i only see if you were like comparing the economic power of these markets that's what you get the numbers way you see like ok more aless the same amount of people live in countries combined, yes indeed in the us all of causes a bit more in the us the general body party in the same. Field so i would you say about kansas i mean the struts for omi making. Any command on slovenia or you know well some countries i know better some. Concerts i haven't even visited yet so in a way the same astro for the you and on top of that we don't even have that's that that the same language. The the common language of course in the us also english which is. Only spoken natively one of the smallest members an island now that you're gone which is funny enough.
That then i mean. More united on some levels in odessa common army just wanna international politics for lisa should be of course different because that something that will still take. Yes is not decades in the u two some how developing i think it's time verify some point edition critical point everybody knows like ok we're just going to be better off if we finally united on this topic might have help uk left this point but there's still strong division of cozz between francis germany closest day are they still have a very different myself how to deal with the world and francis still you know woodward really like everybody to keep on talking french on the diplomatic.
Set the comparison is is is available one in the new venue seahawk hold us ideas of being united some hole, fails because they have been able to come to any kind of control europa, things have been manage quite differently in many countries. I don't really get what is the problem because if it's really something that should work on a state level. Is that the federal government is really tupido y ancho state is doing or is it just the lacs of control that would be needed to make this dates for aso different world walks at all in where where is the the the problem regenerating, rewind you think what would the car the root of the problem of not being able to deal with the crisis is.
I think one of the problems is health related crisis what is a very. Broken healthcare system but i think there's something else which is this beliefs i mean i find it fascinating that. Will say like anytime corona what should the terminal are decisions government why do should be science should be facts facts science still required. Amount of believe you have to believe in them, it's larger discussion behind this but if you don't believe in the science someone is presenting you that's hard because people don't follow the recommendations they won't follow the even though their facts there. I think of us one of the problems is from very early in this crisis there was a debate. Is there was recently people who did not believe in all of the what needs to be done as far as we know, america not believe it they believe the complete opposite, i'm not so honestly i'm not so into the there's a sort of superiority around masks where a mask otherwise you ruin me things for everyone, i understand and i'm going to do it on the other hand it became like a montreal throw it people who didn't wanna wear masks or skeptical i know you know all the whole mixed bag of white people didn't wear masks but then not wearing masks became a point of pride i know this is happening another countries too, it became a point of resistance it became connected to expire expand myself expression so. This becomes very hard to get people to step together on this tuesday online in terms of what you need to do let's just do this together because it became such a it won't be on health it would be on the good of all came no wait your hurting me by trying to help me i think once that happens it becomes very hard weather is from a leader or from just a regular citizen and we just had that from the very beginning, in the us and receive europe different forms but it's it's more in pockets and i guess hasn't been a is widespread this is not talk about i see it here in netherlands i don't say it but there is a general resistance two things like wearing masks two things like not getting together i have parties i believe in us city so maybe i'm seeing exceptional situation they don't say it out loud they don't go to marches well there have been some but they just do it they just go out and they say yeah respect the measures were supposed to take, i mean while i'm gonna go against the right now. Point of us and they go off their crazy over there and off we go over here to party in close distance to travel to the big push hurt people feel like i do travel for what is it five six months, i need to go to spain now i need to go to italy and i am not superior to these people i am looking at plane tickets to get to portugal because. I missed so much and i'm worried about things that are there that i'm not a word about things and maybe some people but. So it's this weird split mind oregon split culture that says i'm not we're not, on the same page about we have to do or not gonna stick to it. Innocense i don't think the us is that different it's just it happened maybe earlier from the very beginning this resistance.
I mean ok that's indians always been u very special thing on how the event individuals the government. Government is supposed to do a what's the government is supposed not to do in what the government shouldn't be involved in this whole. Which is probably most sings, especially with gun law this this floating idea that did you need guns because once the government turns against you can you do something about which is summer turn up on the head right now because now the government is actually put the doing bad things to the people and then the gun people are coming in defending the government for.
I don't reasons which tells be it's just more about you know. Keeping up the ideas of slavery forever. It's not really about freedom and nyc the republican convention right now i mean the the fear spreading is angus they have another this whole notion of dangerous in the air it's all about me like yeah things change because. Will what day mean is the blacks and the latino and asian people are going to in ontario, supremacy away from you i'm so anyway, we've seen with the black lives matter movement this year this. The same shows that might be one of the core fights going on in the us. Set this is really corre of the conflict of this society that their many things that fighting about but in the end it is this ongoing division, and white people predominately having the well the power, index country that that is some how about to end just demographics and, even the republican ruel with seems to be the guarantee for this situation to continue is orange demolition man when was the last time a republican actually got the most votes in the presidential election that's been a long time ago so play it all feels like that was also giving me a food for my options my ongoing optimism that of course. Dial situation right now of course the the problem seem to just accelerate put some how is also the last breath of this months that's about to die anyway it's just not dead yet. No
Yeah yeah i have the feelin' it it's your pants everything i say so you can i find the feeling nothing says valley but i have a feeling we been here before in a different form in a different time what we been here before and we often think this is such a unique moment of course every moment is unique but at the same time we been here before and every election especially around election time the same kind of languages used again receive the other coming for your guns the other side is saying something like they want to destroyer country i mean, the same strategies are being used but there so loud right now and of course, the the potion see in the message from black lives matter has made it very far, very interesting very exciting i would say in terms of the masks support for it in, evening high profile places that normally would i be tried toonorth but this is also this fight over language open watching i don't recommend it but i been watching the republican so called convention speeches and i watched some of the democratic easier to watch this year because i like a minute long thanks the video limitations of attention span so they're all trying to argue that. One side will say black lives matter is a struggle for justice that is long overdue and black lives matter protest, encourages people to look critically and who they are who the country is so all these things used to celebrate take a second look is that actually wasn't built on someone suffering on someone's slavery about we also just yeah chief keef things by harming others the other side of saying do you want to be a shamed all the time do you want to live in a country where always apologizing yeah we were looking back in our notes from two thousand seventeen a big thing, when trump was on his campaign when he became president they still refer to it in raleigh they called it the apology tour in what the hell are they talking about it was that window bomb was elected president that he was travelling of course is visiting countries and, according to the the sort of the right when he was doing was apologizing for america america's behavior america's actions and what trump was saying in was, really getting the attention of great white good good health people don't apologize powerful, message the idea like are you gonna go my way the next four eight years do we want to be ashamed of stuff or do we want to be proud. Apparently many people prefer to just be proud it's not you easier and meat loaf interestingly a large section of the country says, no i'm ready to be critical by the way this is something i always looked to germany with admiration as a teenager young adult which i think i'm no longer qualified as it was, the germans i knew you when of my closest friends even though busy but the german always were critical of who they are who they were and the americans of course up with were just not no.
We don't really wanna apologize would be destructing so it has established. The position we are there in the world and it in the end it has really. Play out of it is it it's a very positive sing to do and that's why what of course you won't in the same position now they don't really understand. What they have done over all those years and nobody is saying everything is bad the us is doing of course some people woods say that but that's that's also contributions that culturally politically that the people would love to attribute to the us without hesitance it's. Add a good reasons while you could love you didn't really have to love but just respect us. Lots of control influence that's all economic progress and for a long time even the international policies that have been good things be done but it's not, everything they have been doing their incapable of looking at the other part as well that would be really really helpful but, what are crisis of the last year's which trump really has brought tonight their other. Things that the the americans january have been proud of us slowly finding a way you probably know this clip this. What's the show called the news room series tv series. Where is typical situation on what's the name of the actor.
Jeff daniels ricegum and he's playing a politician is this typical choose me situation in a large room in university and then the assets, american young girl can you explain super why america is the greatest country on earth. Which is like the typical stereotypical moments like everybody else acoustic this because that you know, i want his very of us anthem i think his wife who's in the. The audience is is messaging him like it's not. Play andre benjamin makes this time and yuno and start saying like nobody else put more, put more people into a present you know that sings white america support by not ignore this fact not making this comparison with the rest of the world it's keeps wakening the american position especially in for the moment now weather would really need to look at other countries house dealing with it in their thing to be cold in capable of running from somebody else because they think they are the best. Possibly kodaline from somebody else then.
Yeah i remember that very well that was the opener for the series that came out later that they they say in the series we staged that for his career to make a comeback but any in that room go silent of course because there there excited everything is going normally and then he says the the thing you can never say says what's actually not the greatest country in the world record scratch. How can you say that and here we are in twenty twenty in election and all these old frasier still being used greatest country in the world, create ok trump wishes greatest economy in the world but that's not one that's always been used he pushed but the greatest country in the world every obama has said it and a lot of canada seem to say it even if they don't believe it because you have to. Like saying what's it at the end of your speech a god bless america again i don't think have the people that i said that believe it. Any keep saying it because there afraid if you don't say it people will be upset two upset you be seen is not patriotic i mean. So yeah these dreams been around a long time their loud right now and we've seen how they also play out unfortunately with people, being murdered with people struggling maybe worse than ever, i'll say things don't change resister repeat but i have to antologie of course amount of people have died the amount of people that are really struggling right now it's it's high, i sometimes try to call the idea like so bad it is doing his campaign, i would like to speak for posterity maybe listening to this podcast many years from now joe biden is the canada for the democratic party, the former prior vice president and one thing he saying is. Trump is dangerous any trump's own nice right with her book trump is dangerous is a dangerous man we cannot afford four more years and whenever i hear this, i said to myself wait a minute didn't say the first four years of trump is gonna be a disaster and india it's been bad but. Someone still here the country certainly still exist the world still exist i just wanna remind myself sometimes that trump gets related because it's possible and pessimist we will. Most of us will survive it won't be good but we will survive there's a tendency towards extreme, reactions like this man is dangerous compared to give me a bunch of people he is bit more dangerous with power but at the same time i don't think the world collapses i just think it's more than just this one person it's a group of people it's a spirit that just he he is like an antenna for it.
I have to knowledge that it's not the same you know i have this argument with my partner briefly what i said well had it been who was been hilary clinton we don't know if the situation would be better at work with for example. She pointed out that but a lot of his decisions are decisions at a decent functioning politician would not taken and for that reason people are dead. That is a hard one for me to argue with i suppose so i supposed yes he has made this works as far as we know. Street cleaner going by my window.
Is that strange like all the things that still happen, i haven't gone without food even then i'm low on gas and you need. But there's a certain level of ok that also exists four some people for an interesting amount of people in this world. I wanna point out about the something else hilary clinton. The real election campaign by yelle.
Yes let's focus on the on the election of problem right now so, that's interesting that last time we spoke electric was just over and. Jump wasn't dead presidents because presidency starts at the end of january right. So we knew that was coming i think it was. Slightly too much worse than we thought it. Depending on hulu i'm in it wasn't really very optimistic at all and i have always expected to somewhere some kind of fashions m two creepy. Is that but smallest happened. So now in between ok we have this disasters years of trump and i think it's totally unnecessary to recount all those things you did because they take, yes everything today something that the the that happened that was just like oh my god.
I have been following since then since this election i have been diving myself, deep into the american politics podcasting world so with you, will not next saturday sharing all the opinions but it wasn't interesting constant source of what was going on with you. Who sings get like in the same way. Just buy consuming local news at all or just whipp news so you can always to contacts to get the details you could be interpretation in end song, have a feeling i was following everything more closely. That was interesting to see that that was some kind of, what is my depredation all some kind of dream of young people primarily for. Many reasons funeral gun violence was one of those outbreak of course and shooting stars that's just london, german turn which which way you use.
It's one of those dreamin english what's the use differently than the original meaning so. Alexandria ocasio-cortez which i think is the most impressive, pause on the political stage of the last two years in, every respecting oceans sharp she's on point she's she knows where to turn to chicago interesting set of policies end she jimenez to some allblack the political system of the democrats by saying, if we do not come up with you people, call for democrats for the longest every democrats with ten to be very conservative on their own then nothing will change and that's what she did she came up she's from the bronx right, so she applied for india in the primary electric wizard slaves like the pre election of who. Get in the into the real election for the democrats or one that cid closely and i think that she was just reflection right now and the wanted landslide i think so. Is she came to the the house of the house the congress and. When is really humid everybody was like yeah she should be president chicane because of you know your sign so she has to wait before, yeah.
Yes bitch she was like the end of twenty one she was elected need to be like thirty five before you can become president so, two times do you have to wait and then we'll see of course she's painted as being like a super left wing radical and so but which is always so funny you know when the americans talk about radical left, what policies mean. What you would consider social democrats center of pup politics in germany.
Yes it is very different so what was considered radical left wouldn't even qualifiers left in medications in germany which is funny, i would even say were particularly leftwing anyways so, see what's coming and she has ignited interesting following, add a chef also, too many other young politicians in democratic party to do the same thing you know when the primary elections and some how replace all people on the level then there was this twenty eighteen election, inbetween electrons the mitchell's. Which was super important the a team things would have been even worth without it. So they took the majority in the house back. Turn off calls if you know how american politics work the congress is too pounds in the senate and descendents basically two pac country right two past eight. Yeah two two senators state which are electric of course on the state level like these the balance of power basically in the usa mean sound like. Prohibiting any progress because they can bus busy block anything.
Yeah so people who better be put into horror movies like mitch mcconnell and sign. Play with politics anyways so disgusting including which might be a long term problem for the us, i'll be ing the decision point for which judges get elected on on many levels, what i wanted to say is the midterm elections and this new progressives who are somehow revolutionizing democratic party at least in part from from the ground up. Is that something that you think. Will have an impact on this next election is there a chance of getting the democratic party in the majority in the senate. What else could you imagine, put happen if things turn out in a positive way. Optimistic what what is like the best outcome we could have.
Ok so even us a few questions there but i think of start backwards in away, i think best case scenario based on what's happening right now is that joe budden wings for president and he wins not because he's progressive, i'm not because he following the policies of acdc all die young generation unfortunate the squad.
The house i worry i'm not sure if all the those younger, i said a good shape for years to come now is running on a platform like most democrats in both senate and house which is based on one, main principal not trump. They put all their money into this and if you watching is kind of interesting in the convention speeches they invited republicans they invited people who work in high level office that were, involved in the trump administration many because they were still around after obama eventually fired and what they were appealing to was conservative people and what they were trying to get across is that their not radicals, their not trump is number one we're not radicals is number two they're afraid so the democratic party campaign is being by spirit of let's not scared voters off. Let's now is not the time for green day deal forget it, medicare for all if you listen to east radio matches always talking about medicare for all is not a platform of vikings is a platform of acdc it wasn't bernie sanders of course remain critical but he's sort of step in line so best cases by ten wins and i think in the senate they could take a majority of one or two by one or two but. People who take the majority are not going to be the young progressive there going to be people who are simply, not the republican not trump supporters, not too scary so what's your going to get something that could look like the obama administration which was not progressive all those in comparison looks at, i want and they will come to power they will have maybe we will control both, part of congress very narrowly and that would give them the possibility to pass some legislation the problem is that there's gonna be strong resistance and maybe some of those democrats may not be reliable if the party is senior two two two radical to change so i think that you keep, the house you keep you get the presidency you naturally get the senate. But that doesn't mean they gonna be reliable that's the best case i mean it's pretty good.
Yes i have to look at my washington post map and then the question is also with the seats that are contested and this is very useful in the washing post does this will you have to see which ones are actually close because as you as we both of sad some of these representatives they always win again they always come back they stay in office river but some especially with the trump, alliances that have been created people canada to a t been behind trump their people are so upset with them that they may even go democrat after a very long time, republicans so it's more interesting to see not so much what seether up, but what seats are close, that's very interesting getting towards the map most competitive senate races of twenty twenty, twenty-three republican season play and their twelve democratic season play but of the twenty-three republicans seats, only thirteen are considered competitive. And then in the democrats out of the twelve season play only two or competitive so that does a lot more than gonna change or republican land potentially. So that could be good.
Yes in texas would be also i mean that would be interesting signal. It would be something if trump is summer house leading to the republicans losing something that they wouldn't never ever have thought about losing. That's somehow it a dynamic in itself is not. Which might also like to the republican party somewhere turning against this. No sin of being evil more ready always you know supporting the lead amigo the devil become like north korea. Central party in the behaviors.
Yes yeah if we went back to our december twenty, sixteen show looking back twenty sixteen at that time republicans were still pretty critical trump cause he defended all. The traditional indian over the last four years we watch them go will you know what this guy can't believe it bodys popular so i'm within. Any point to you bring up they could a band in him if it seems profitable.
Yeah there's something interesting i think that this these last four years have established the trump family as a new, political force that we will see for generate actually we won't will be gone but i really feel like it wasn't the case before i mean, the republican convention donald trump jr who's never run for anything, i guess runs a business he's giving speeches about what the country should do and people are listening and sharing i mean ivana trump again i dont remember her resume before her her dad was president these people i don't think there gonna go away i think there enjoying this and i think that they are crazy enough they might be slicker than their father. So they maybe more applicable to the younger generations coming up so i think that you can you know we may see as you said you wanted the the the positive best case scenario i think we do trump go away or become a sort of popular opposition figure is not even her in any office but i still gives speeches and how do something in the media but we'll see the trump family again. I don't know if it will be a presidency that might be too much but we might see them instead of racist and i think there's a nice people out there that will look back at it four years cause everything can be spun, enter still spinning you know these last four years i've been good was just coronavirus in the end economy was great trump speaks differently, it's a good thing we need to speak differently in politics i think, i'm looking to advance i think these people want to keep doing this and they may have enough support. Not for this next selection but in in the coming after so years. No melania i don't think she's gonna stick to politics was really bad.
So i was just about to ask about more pessimistic fuel on what could happen in the new came up with trump family playing major role in the, next kids just like we've seen it with the kennedys the clinton's the bush's and so it's always crazy this dynasty style. Way of mino where were families have the used impact on the hood politics system which is something that. I don't weather maybe a bit in an indian politics but it's not that the names replay miserable by itself. That's different so ok so of course. Worst outcome is is obvious in the senate stay the same. How was probably gets even close or democrat losing out which i don't really happening and then of course of pregnancy still going to trump in between. If the democrats make it to me being elected the president. What north gaining the necessary seats in the senators list making it fifty fifty. What would that mean.
Means that not much will change in actual policy so we started by talking about ac. And there was the question of if some of his policies that, she and and people who supporter and work with her looking for, you're not going to happen because they require. Is it at level of government the required the votes their require people to want it but it does mean, as far as you can tell can we know from from history also biden is going to speak much more as a someone who tried to united the country is going to try obama to do well i thought to speak to americans who don't support him, not really trump doesn't do that there gonna be a lot of talk about being a country that actually listens to people who disagree if i could be healthy. So this could be something but policy wise we're not going to see much, move forward so you're concerned about climate change if you're concerned about the way the economy works who is favors healthcare i said i don't think we see much happen. Unless a miracle happens in terms of getting republicans to sort of some republicans to to work together with democrats which is not a popular thing to do so that's gonna be difficult i think we're still a whole crowd of people who elect people and an elected officials worry about that do not like. Byron do not like a do not want these policies so i think you get a very attempt to go back to a a golden era if you if you look back at obama as a golden era but it's not even gonna be that it's going to be the best we can do for now i don't think on the good side if you're tired of every day there's a thing, you may find is going into a time warp well everyday there's not a thing because the president suddenly inspired to be angry at something nice to go back to possibly by billie other sources of accusations and anchor i don't have to come from the president so i think we can have again, something like the obama erra actually with the last four years i believe where he doesn't have the support of his congress so he can come up with a good healthcare plan but it won't get out of congress intact end their for it will die obamacare never really surface the way it was supposed to and i don't even know if it would work out, god. The correct way but so that we get a little bit of the repetition of the last four years of obama as you said.
Play a definitely from europe i mean that's what europa longing for because they know if trump continues as presidency. That's probably going to be the biggest political revolution in the year they're not going to waste anytime. Two two come up with skim of ok how are we august organizing a self defense is going to be some military packed possibility even replacing nature. Kevin problems nato if it is special if you look at the turkey, end the conflict the constantly creating the involved syria walk the problems with the green borders in san jose it has been a good thing having turkey in spanish you have them in their own lions stand in any add especially in the russian influence which is definitely one of the the blue problems came up year but they will definitely come up with a new way of. Finding themselves talking to the world, pendent of the us i think that that would probably. Off most not but most of the major. Link to any american policy.
Yeah which part of me would like to see the year pinion more stuff without waiting for the us to tell the lead to start an issue of so there is i mean i want to know if you called positive deserve i would look forward to that i have kind of enjoyed that idea that the world is not look to the us so often anymore, unfortunately it's because their sort of horrified in shamed by the us i would prefer just be that, the rest of the world or be at the iu also good ideas we don't need you to tell us how we should be next.
The us mostly about trade and business and also is a political road for the u developed and anders not so much agree general agreement within you rope what this policy should look like two pac extended being designed undone developed but also know that once america some how turns into a for another friend also mean a big impact on on this economic policies which also means that europe needs to alive probably more with other parts of power. End of calls number one on the list is kina. Which has been very carefully choosing the apathy into the world and while, you're anders specializing as well paisley asleep at the wheel. What is the possible exception of alabama wild side coming in the, i want to make this pacific trade partnership with trumpet canceled for, no reason. Now china has its hands busy everywhere i mean big enough rica that bigger letters america and of course the eastern. Asian influence there's nothing that compares two china maybe russia yandel is big of a power now so, you're passed find a way here might be very complicated for them because it's not only about. You know who you tell with who tried with what what kind of contacts you do it's also cultural thing as always helped that basically the cultural differences between the us and europe well they exist but they are minor. Compare two.
Yeah yeah yeah interesting if i say that abiding presidency will go back to the police obama this is that mean that they run in here arms open back to china with all kinds of concepcion free trade of go on doing what you doing i mean, the old expression of broken clock is right twice a day. I believe that i wonder what will happen actually that i believe trump brought up some interesting issues in his own ridiculous way including how are relationship is with china as a country that manufacturers things build a lot of infrastructure if you choose them with five g. u. n. other infrastructure i think it's been strangely good, in terms of asking questions about things unfortunately questions it becomes stupid in terms of conspiracy like virus comes from china whatever you know i think trump accidentally, stumbled into this area that's why sometimes even maybe working people get excited by him because they asked questions of you know should we be manufacturing everything in china should we agree that all the apps that are developed by chinese companies i think the criticism, i have criticize tik tok long ago when they first appeared but now it's become a trump things so unfortunately makes very hard criticize tick tock it's like, i'm not with him but i would like to know about where the data goes it so i wonder what happens if if biting is elected president and we we want to go back to a bit, open policies with other countries what is the us and them together what do they do in terms of china technology i do not know. The way used to be was more free trade more exchange more involvement without, message sarah a lot of questions i know some country companies have ask questions google. How china managing governs over things like data.
Yes that's true i mean the europa earth's cry heaven's smile give us the power off setting up black crowes like facebook and is also beyond the tick tock movie some, play see them as a contender of being the next thing of you know where everybody is but now they are afraid. They might be defining the rules and then some how. More related to how the chinese seaworld and so much or america and see the world also knowing that was much easier for them to influence their own people using facebook, especially in the election process into the woods they couldn't replicate this with take top that's probably what trump is thinking about. Set that says popular the only thing you think about somebody you know. Tell me onto the scene developing a power just can't buy shit into it and then it the the chinese defining the political message freedom fry.
Yes popular kids totally understand why they had some original ideas in the beginning made it not only popularity. The defining place for what's cool what's next what's interesting. That's what's the most interesting thing is for kids always also because facebook has been. A place where people are you know.
I mean facebook story that coming this by the boyz instagram in the head the success with it instagram keeps being very important platform not so convinced take this ride taking over because i think to. Take over they need to add much more in terms of communication, on that perform now it's more about what gets pushed into your channels overdose open this app after ten. That's that's right that's saying something of course of b young everything is new york you're capable of dealing with it in a different way, but it it's not really the same as facebook but, people know things can go on pretty quickly on the internet on the that's weather moving much faster right now in in the way.
Put this is connected to my dick questions when we get by if we get sorry biden presidency, a lot of things will there be attempt to fix relations will be attempts to open versus what's being closing connections in communication i wonder what happens to somebody traditionally very open channels before trump what they become.
It's like a press secretary yeah i mean conspiracy conspiracy by the republican party what happens when they say all of the radical left are gonna be able to influence him because he's all any does this week or sleep whatever they calling and that's a funny story to tell because i'm telling different story on telling you i'm buying presidency means no you and an energy necessarily because he i don't wanna is a feeling people who don't want that right now but trump is pushing the idea to know that is what ya gonna do which of course, i would enjoy if they did that little bit invite the youth of the party darius push for progressive new ideas. I think it's very much everything is fine i'm not crazy.
Alright i think i'm if we some how establish some kind of new cycle for news of the world in the coming months i think we're going to, keep us focus on on the how deep electrons are going on that son of the defining moment of the time that's it maybe we should. Round up this show by, taking a lisa pick a some other things that might be interesting maybe in the contacts of the bigger things or just because they should be. Discussed.
Yeah say like things that i am both interested in watching and i of course we don't know what's going to happen whenever really do but certainly, based on a specially what happened to last few months last few weeks my eyes often go towards lebanon and beirut i really i want to know how this process of rebuilding enrique instruction n helping people is going to go not just in the short term it in the long term which is always the hardest part you know they need, many things including money by they also have a political system that is most built to move extremely slowly and sometimes very well always very paralyzing so i don't know it's gonna happen but keep an eye on lebanon.
Yeah done too podcast series their one with chris light in two thousand twelve which is very much focus on artists different kinds of artists and then it in two thousand fifteen was there again, catch up with a lot of the same people i had interviewed a few years before many close friends very special people of mine in beirut and are all dealing with what's happening attended, conference call last week with a twenty people very much focus on how are we doing as people regardless if we're not related to the explosions, how can we go forward not just in terms of life, helping one another with stuffed with action but also just emotionally and what i really observed and a lot of my work these days is connected to this is people who are very traumatized, people who can't sleep people who can focus people who have dreams and nightmares about the explosions and explosions and that's, i mean that city of a few million going through that so it's a it's very difficult situation often focus on how much is it gonna take how much money how many resources but what about, how do you speak to people who are traumatized on how to help.
Then of course israel. Is a playground for all those powers that are defining the fate of the the whole middle east but say it's always been. Very exceptional and somehow managed to be i wouldn't say you trial but. Is there some kind of common agreement by all those forces to have at least one place where they are constantly fighting each other. So they have a space weather can talk to if they need to. What is is that what is why is lebanon riders still exist what what is the defining, mana hear that the the that's that's that makes this place why is it there.
Yeah, food network and then you set up a a competition olympian competition for fruit but it has been used i don't know this it's been used as a proxy, unfortunately sort of almost pop it for several forces has bola but also syrian regime in general has has long been involved in politics in the country and israel doesn't necessarily involved in politics maybe but they have of course recent as what two thousand six, turn the name a bomb the country you know it's it's really you just never know when something hard is about to happen sometimes courtesy of a neighbor, any it's a heartache station but what's amazing is that the people that are in the country. So caring on and busy doing a and i think they will continue and it's doing it with what was already limited electricity you always had power cults limited water, it's one of the first place is it off work in afghanistan but we're water and powerwolf things that you really planned around like when is there gonna be some how much do i need to put in bottles for later power wise what i need to charge so lebanon unfortunately was not in a position is everybody keep saying in the media to handle a disaster add unfortunately a huge disaster hit specially beirut. Having to deal with this so it's it's stuff and i tell you what the hardest part i'm sure it's the braindrain it's the people who live, i'm notorious leaver you know i love the usa couldn't get it right want to be there and then my dear portugal outside and stay in, still difficult i have other interests and even when my, conversation with lebanese friends everlast few weeks many i haven't talked with a while is catching up you know if there's so many who are outside the country and fisher many more now we're gonna leave and, when they leave these are fantastic. Not just the food part but the you know the knowledge the skills the arts it's just such a wealthy place in that sense and off people will go and so i mean there's always a risk that, the alternative the country will shift again the people with with the energy and the creativity in the spark that is so wonderful maybe gone and who is left to fight over the crumbs maybe i help but so i hear you know people leaving cuz i am i would completely we roll understand if someone left lebanon right now as they have for years but then again people are such a spirit to find a way and it is very much a country that finds a way no matter what but they could really use help from the rest of the world, add a undercurrents i collect any sort of information and can from special from the who has a good band with with lebanon familia familiar reality us a weird relationship with lebanon i think like more distant obviously physically but also maybe misunderstanding of young americans don't know how loud is not really anything name of the president send a little message but not much more, there is the american university and ivy rue which is a fantastically legendary place for creativity knowledge. But that's so it's i hope that this rebuilding process happens and that it comes back stronger than i was which includes, electricity sustainable system bout that government the way the government works i don't even know how to explain it cause i'm not miller without the details but i know that all these different parties have to be involved in any government and they never, play still now do not push any kind of agenda to really improve the quality of life especially for those who are from their group, are there received of echo to the us in our all about if you voted for me i'm gonna improve where you are from vaiana gonna do things for your life.
I want to give credit to the people that are there and end the last few months even before corona actually so maybe its been almost a year there has been a daily on the street, protest movement trying to get rid of this corrupt do nothing government started with a garbage strike i think more than a year ago, add everyday lot of my friends were involved so i got to learn about it through social media their not just protests they had teachings on the street where they talked about how governments should work how they could work how communities could organize themselves it was so created yes i guess every now and then there actually police and they wrote made men things thrown any other but actually for from much of it was a sort of art and culture spilling out all over the place randomly and also sometimes planned i think that's what keeps this country going this is so many, people who were determined, what is quit still be something that there is something of great value here a beautiful stretch of land also im in lebanon has the snowy ski mountains and it has been unbelievable beaches it was on the mediterranean wish i thought this would be in the moment because i'm not that israel would say like it listens help, no strings attached no no no harsh words but the happening. How many governments might get involved france has unique relationship with lebanon part of it's always been pushing their sort of language colonialism considered part of the frank a phone nations. If you know lebanon english has become very much language of the city but francis still there any of my lebanese friends speak speak both french english besides arabic so friends has a strong connection and their heavenly involved even now with their government officials going to lebanon during the crisis to try to go shade the whole package to show support.
Any lebanon has been and end my lebanese friends i think would remind me for the wealthy unfortunately but for well the people in the middle east a vacation spot for a long time a place to own apartment unfortunately don't live there so are you really a member of community but that's always a thing ever that beirut as well, start apartment building is beautiful that's on by a wealthy guy from the us or jordan or something so it's very much been. Almost what you said a place to go i don't know but definitely as get away, for the middle east where life was a bit freer than maybe in your home country.
The people well i say not at all wrong way it is religion is there, it's always the background and new politics i think it's still quit strong but you know i know beirut and beirut is very interesting in terms of. How is josh ward tolerant everyone is it really a hodgepodge of styles and. Similar to paris it's very much about looking good. Pressure address now his and have a cool restaurant it serves in that sensato extremely at least is very european and i have to say lebanon in general remind me of, portugal very often, so i think that's also this cultural connections leading all the way back to the phoenicians, change of humans between the middle east.
Set a list of this is also a place where the world needs to keep watching no because of the conflict in syria and iraq also it's summer house fuel literally fuel of conflict, and the rest of the world and so many things are this side least for in the area. Enter now let's see if we get a chance of returning to some kind of non-emergency in the the future which would be quiet.
Yes really helps i think if people care weather is an average person or government i mean the moment we don't talk anymore and we don't pay attention. I don't think that help with you know improving situations in a country because of disaster or conflict or whatever difficult. Very much in general in this world and certainly to the middle east living here in europe.
It was it was i think we should stay in love i mean we're not going to return to weekly schedule that's probably not impossible the weather would just suggestion, try to get together a probably once a month at least for the the the next month regarding the us elections depending on on on what happens. Yeah. I will also like to hear if anybody is actually listening to the shores so if you've made it to hear you probably interested in more than just let it, how do you say this leave a comment below.
Yes yeah no no no beloit kansas. No but i still prefer the traditional way of podcasting in ohio useless delivered in the good old days, what finding nemo now now. Turn off internet soul. Special unknown. The radical left of media and look what has happened. What cast are everywhere now and i don't. I don't do not really complain. Because why should i am in anyway it's one i've been telling everybody else anyway, set this is happening i was always convince that the podcast are going to make their way everywhere simply because it's it's. Initiate we good fit for a for other media just too extended into it with scenery with newspapers with senile with tv.
No it's it's it's it's radio it's a new radio it's it's maybe taking place medium, the question i have it is in a what kind of podcasts are out there how do they work how are they funded would message so i know it's certainly does the word in the name of the existence a podcast is now very much out there and that's useful and good, generally but the next question is yet what are we doing with podcasts and we're doing a lot obviously people are but yeah what were where where are we doing well in podcast where we missing other voices are or maybe technology. Could improve there's a conversation recently on a podcast rewatching film pump up the volume pirate radio. Christian slater it's worth watching you enjoy it runs pirate radio in the late eighties and pirate radio all about noncommercial things you're not allowed to say teenagers so alive sex messages your parents don't want you to talk about the podcast it was analysing the film said oh wow, this this guys basically a podcasters. You know he's doing radio from his basement illegally that's basically podcast and send a message arguing like no this guy is a hi rate podcasters or podcasting is the medium it's the messages the type of show the approach that's what is exciting i think potentially very exciting because of the podcast as you said and many of them sound exactly like radio did i don't and that's interesting to me.
Yeah i mean we also see the political groups jumping on the podcasting wagon it's not this library islands we would have to be. What i think we would never expected that is also something i mean being behind the big one of those behind the potluck project people turn to be like this is not the podcast using yourselfer i think you can do about it open sauce soft country control using it in the end, i don't think the medium itself is winning any was i mean it still depends on what you doing what you can do and podcasting, is is very applicable doom patrol many things and really matters on how you wanna use it been question of. No need to expand into other media square foot photos mendez is going discussion on the influence of platforms like spotify. The song i'll try to you know. Podcast to make more noise and then get more customers for this shit in india end could be in a situation where, play sometime define the rose of hole the game is being played on this earth definitely something i don't really wanna be, so far i think the medium has been very brazilian to influence still if it's it's it's still pretty much alive, when i enjoy that i hope more people will be able to you know live from somehow. I know you try to hasn't ready what all the time.
Is there anything now. I've had great adventures i have wonderful friends i have a wealth of things you question is for the next chapters of my life as a greer. Will this continue to work for that i know it's wonderful for from my mental and in my heart but it's not ask if you know whether it's retirement or home ownership or or raising children i want to do that that's the question i have not yet been able to answer with my podcasting.